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bacasper
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 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
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| Anyone who argues we need to give up freedom for security is not fit to be an American. |
So I'm not a real American now? Because of an opinion I hold?
You just lost the argument. |
Of course, there are all kinds of Americans. But what does apply here is:
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| Those who would give up a little freedom for a little security deserve neither. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Anyone who argues we need to give up freedom for security is not fit to be an American. |
So I'm not a real American now? Because of an opinion I hold?
You just lost the argument. |
Of course, there are all kinds of Americans. But what does apply here is:
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| Those who would give up a little freedom for a little security deserve neither. |
- Benjamin Franklin |
Funny. I don't believe I've given up any freedom.
The President probably could have shut down the internet in an emergency anyhow, and the Supreme Court would have upheld it. Instead, Congress has instead specified when and how the President would shut down the internet. Now, the Supreme Court can measure the President against Congress' standards. Historically, the Supreme Court is much more likely to strike down excesses as unconstitutional when Congress delegates powers to the Executive that seem excessive, than if the Executive acts without a framework in an emergency.
Still, I'd like them to tighten this bill up a bit. Seems a tad deferential to the Executive for my tastes. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
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| I'm afraid the US is becoming more like China with Chinese communist dictatorship eventually taking over. |
Well, with all due respect, whose brilliant idea was it to vote for this malevolent, platitudinous fiend in the first place? It certainly wasn't mine. I've hated him from day one. I detested him the very first time I ever heard him open his mouth.
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Just what is Obama going to do in his shirt sleeves, except impress the gullible? He might as well have shown up in a tuxedo with white tie, for all the difference it makes. This government is not about governing. It is about creating an impression. That worked on the campaign trail in 2008, but it is a disaster in the White House. Obama's political success in the 2008 election campaign was a spectacular triumph of creating images and impressions. But creating political impressions and images is not the same thing as governing. Yet Obama in the White House keeps on saying and doing things to impress people, instead of governing.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/06/15/oil_vs_snake_oil_105964.html |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
Of course, there are all kinds of Americans. But what does apply here is:
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| Those who would give up a little freedom for a little security deserve neither. |
- Benjamin Franklin |
Funny. I don't believe I've given up any freedom. |
If you allow the president to stop your ability to surf the internet you have.
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| The President probably could have shut down the internet in an emergency anyhow, |
Is this even true? Isn't the internet designed so that in the event a bunch of computers are taken out, the information travels around them to whatever computers are still online? |
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