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Seoulio

Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| 1) What is it about Calgary that would be bad to raise a family in? The abundance of parks and nature reserves within the city limits? The farily decent education system? I am honestly curious what would be detrimental to a family there. |
It's mostly people from Calgary that actually like Calgary. Commercial areas are placed too far from homes that most people have to use their cars. Education system isn't as good as you seem to think. I guess it's just personal taste if you want to raise a family there, but I rather not.
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| 2) Weather is horrible? Um okay? Hardly rains, snows a decent chunk of the year ( along with like 5000 other cities) Chinooks break up the cold stuff constantly, Nice in Summer, no humidity, yeah terrible weather. |
Summer is like 3 weeks, and even then you'll still need to drag your jacket around to keep warm at night. The rest of the year, it's cold. Snow is common in late May or August. Humidity is zero virtually all of the time, but tons of skin issues. And the wind, I've discovered I do hate wind, but then again most cities in the North American prairies are windy.
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| 3) One Industry town? Well Oil is definiely huge but the only industry? Please. And even if it was, if you are employed by that industry then your life would be decent then huh |
Being employeed by one of them is financially rewarding, but it doesn't make it good. Yes, Calgary is a one industry town. If the company isn't involved in oil, good chance that it caters to someone in the oil industry. Once oil is done what customers do they have? Calgary's economy is good for a generation, or 2, but after that what will happen? Can Calgary really keep it's population after oil runs out? Does Calgary attract people like New York or LA? Or will it end up like Detroit? Calgarians are arrogant of how 'great' their town is.
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| 4) Boring? Compared to what? What does it lack for excitement that it is not providing for you? |
Core downtown area is virtually a ghost town after 5pm. Small rural Korean towns have more people walking around than Calgary does on the best of days.
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| 5) Cookie Cutter suburban homes, yeah this must really affect your quality of life, Heaven forbid you raise a family in a city with such a high rate of cookie cutter homes" |
Personal opinion. I kind of find it rich that some complain about endless rows of apartments in Korea, but most North American cities are nothing but endless cookie cutter homes with water wasting lawns.
Also prices in Calgary these days are ridiculous. Houses are averaging above half a million. A one bedroom condo is $250,000. Calgary is expensive. Prices for goods in Tokyo and Calgary are comparable. Many people are racist just under the surface. I was oblivious to it until I was old enough to drink legally.
Toronto - I'd take Toronto over Calgary
Montreal - for sure
Ottawa - the summers are great, but I guess it's a toss up.
Vancouver - basically another Calgary on the coast, but I'd take that over Calgary.
Calgary is like a job, soul sucking, it will leave you feeling empty. If you're of Asian descent, many place in Asia, including Korea, are superior to what Calgary can offer. If you're white, Europe is where I'd go.
Don't get me wrong, Calgary is nice, but that's all it is, just nice. Once I left Calgary, I started to realize how plain Calgary is. You can't convince me Calgary is an ideal place to live, but if you like it that's good for you. |
Thanks fr answering, I respect your answers, and a couple of your comments I can not disagree with. BEing raised there all my life I guess it has come endearing.
P.S I personally don't think that the school system is terrible, I worked in the CBE for over a year, seemed to be pretty decent, but who knows I guess |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| P.S I personally don't think that the school system is terrible, I worked in the CBE for over a year, seemed to be pretty decent, but who knows I guess |
I think I fall into the trap that many seem to. People hate their own education system, even though there are many good things about it. There a some goods and bads in Calgary schools. Same with Korean schools, we just see it from just one subject in Korea. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my take on Canada's major cities
Vancouver: Beautiful city. Much of it is walkable. People are mellow - low stress, pleasant. However, if you're from a larger city, you may find it to be somewhat quiet. The biggest deterrent to settling down there is the cost of rent.
Calgary: Clean city with a decent assortment of restaurants and bars. Lake Louise & Banff are a beautiful short drive away. However, I've heard that the city planners are developing the city the wrong way by building suburban sprawls instead of taller condos like Vancouver. Because of the recent oil boom in 2008, housing is overvalued. Don't move there until housing prices return to normal.
Toronto: Very good & very bad. This city has the best variety of entertainment in Canada. Almost all major artists make a Toronto stop while touring the U.S., but not necessarily the other cities in Canada. Has some excellent summer festivals and The Toronto International Film Festival, rather #2 in North America behind L.A. Bad points include lack of green space and cold stressed out people. Difficult to make friends here.
Montreal: Famous for good food, rowdy dance clubs, seedy strip bars on every 3rd block of the main street, and a good variety of summer festivals. Cost of living is a bargain compared to other major cities in Canada. Bad points include: a lousy infrastructure. The subway breaks down regularly. Pot holes on the streets every spring. Quebec has some of the highest taxes in Canada. You must have an interest in learning French because in many cases English signs are non-existent. Seoul has more English signs than Montreal.
Ottawa: Used to be a sleepy government town but in recent years has grown to include more venues for concerts. Now many artists make an Ottawa stop between doing Toronto & Montreal dates. I've heard that there are enough parks and public transportation is pretty efficient. Easy access to Toronto and Montreal because it's between them. Not too many downsides except that again, if you're hometown is a bigger city, you might find Ottawa to be dull. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Other than Vancouver other canadian cities = 6 months of friggin cold winter. I lived in Perth before and that was like 10 months of spring and summer. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| D.D. wrote: |
| Other than Vancouver other canadian cities = 6 months of friggin cold winter. I lived in Perth before and that was like 10 months of spring and summer. |
That sounds interesting! Did you find it at all isolating? |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Jaisalmer, India.
Nothing beats it
Please explain. |
I've been there as a tourist
Lovely to look at. Great food, but I doubt I could live in a small desert city for long.  |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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The best cities list somewhat reflects my tastes. Asian cities are not fairly judged. Singaporeans have a very high standard of living. Zero crime, affordable homes, low taxes, excellent schools and an excellent medical system. I can't imagine that the middle class in Vancouver or Ottawa lives better than the middle class in Singapore. Similar for Tokyo (and other major Japanese cities), Taipei, Seoul and others.
My preference is for a city that has reasonable taxes, excellent schools, safe streets, walkable streets/neighborhoods and very low crime. The suburban model is vile, imo. I will never do the 30km daily commute to work. Those European cities that were placed high on the list all have very high standards by global comparison but are extremely boring when compared to Tokyo or Shanghai.
If Calgary is on the list I see little reason why Denver, Austin, Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Miami Beach, Long Beach, Dallas, Kansas City and others aren't. Maybe the issue is public schools? |
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Caffeinated
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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travel zen wrote:
Jaisalmer, India.
Nothing beats it
Please explain. |
I've been there as a tourist
Lovely to look at. Great food, but I doubt I could live in a small desert city for long.  |
Quite possibly the cleanest air in all of India. An apartment building in Seoul probably has a larger population tho. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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DM24
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| New York City! |
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TpaK
Joined: 11 Nov 2008 Location: USA Virginia
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Someone tell me how Washington DC is on the list. I live here and I can't think of one good reason why this is a good place to live. |
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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009 Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
If Calgary is on the list I see little reason why Denver, Austin, Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Miami Beach, Long Beach, Dallas, Kansas City and others aren't. Maybe the issue is public schools? |
There are areas of Miami and Long Beach that have super high crime rates, perhaps that's why they didn't make the list. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| TpaK wrote: |
| Someone tell me how Washington DC is on the list. I live here and I can't think of one good reason why this is a good place to live. |
1. The Smithsonian Muesums. They're great and FREE.
2. Kennedy Center. Great arts center, some of the shows are FREE.
3. Best ethiopian food in the USA.
4. Metro. Sure, it has hit a rough patch in the last few years, but it is the 2nd busiest subway system in the States and pretty useful. The Metro Bus system is also decent. Both are cheap (although not for long due to the fare hikes coming this summer)
And I love the fact that I can walk to 90% of the social things I do here. DC is extremely compact.
That being said, it isn't my favorite city in the world. I'd certainly rather live in NYC, Singapore, or Hong Kong, and maybe at some point will return to CA but DC isn't that bad, especially compared how it used to be.
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| If Calgary is on the list I see little reason why Denver, Austin, Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Miami Beach, Long Beach, Dallas, Kansas City and others aren't. Maybe the issue is public schools? |
Yes, schools. KC schools just got taken over by the state I believe. Either that or they declared bankruptcy (or both). And as DrugstoreCowgirl mentioned, crime is also a factor although I don't know why either one of those would remove Austin, which has low crime and decent schools I believe.
edit: cleaned up the quote.
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010 Location: Toilet
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: |
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3. Best ethiopian food in the USA.
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Quite the cuisine that is, green gunk that you scoop up with your bare hands. Pretty bizarre too that the only people I've met that like it are liberal Americans and Ethiopians. Not taking a dig here, just something I've noticed. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| metalhead wrote: |
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3. Best ethiopian food in the USA.
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Quite the cuisine that is, green gunk that you scoop up with your bare hands. Pretty bizarre too that the only people I've met that like it are liberal Americans and Ethiopians. Not taking a dig here, just something I've noticed. |
Well I have yet to meet a person around that doesn't like Ethiopian but then again almost everyone who lives in DC proper is a liberal.
And green gunk? That describes one or two dishes, that's about it. |
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