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Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul yo
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:36 am Post subject: |
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One, *beep* off with your pseudo-homosexual insults. |
That wasn't meant to be related to being a homosexual at all. Can your butt only be hurt if you're gay? You need to take a massive chill pill. All I meant by that was to not get so riled up--like with diarrhea or after a spicy dinner. You took it the homosexual route, not me.
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| someone says Korea isn't very original/creative. They didn't say everything about Korea sucks. |
That's not what they said.
They didn't say 'very', they simply said that Koreans are not creative. There are around 80 millions Koreans on this peninsula, not to mention the massive diaspora around the globe. And for someone to make a sweeping generality about all of those millions of people - that's offensive. |
I'm offended you told me to *beep* off. Don't really practice what you preach, huh? I guess I read some posts too quickly. I don't share the belief that Korea is void of creativity... less creative/original? Probably, but not anywhere near void.
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| What IS creative and/or original here? If someone listed stuff, I'd be interested in checking those things/places out. |
What is creative anywhere? Any example we give could be easily listed as a copy or similar to something else in the world. The truth is that the vast majority of posters on this forum do not associate with adult Koreans in normal contexts. They do not attend art shows, poetry readings, or performances. If you did, you'd realize that there are at least a couple of Koreans who manage to muster some creativity. |
Then list some unique stuff--I'm pretty sure that's what defines creativity anywhere. Maybe some people will rethink their position. The fact is, some people in this thread ARE under the belief that Korea lacks creativity and I doubt they'll change their position with you browbeating people and telling people to *beep* off. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
| Don't get butthurt because |
One, *beep* off with your pseudo-homosexual insults. |
That wasn't meant to be related to being a homosexual at all. Can your butt only be hurt if you're gay? You need to take a massive chill pill. All I meant by that was to not get so riled up--like with diarrhea or after a spicy dinner. You took it the homosexual route, not me. |
When people talk about being butthurt where I'm from, that's the meaning. Basically, being raped in the arse and whining about it. Looking through online sources though, I can see how it's meant in a variety of ways - all of them not all that pleasant though (and none of them mentioning a spicy dinner - but I'm only on page 3. lol).
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| someone says Korea isn't very original/creative. They didn't say everything about Korea sucks. |
That's not what they said.
They didn't say 'very', they simply said that Koreans are not creative. There are around 80 millions Koreans on this peninsula, not to mention the massive diaspora around the globe. And for someone to make a sweeping generality about all of those millions of people - that's offensive. |
I'm offended you told me to *beep* off. Don't really practice what you preach, huh? I guess I read some posts too quickly. I don't share the belief that Korea is void of creativity... less creative/original? Probably, but not anywhere near void.
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That was the main point of my objection.
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| What IS creative and/or original here? If someone listed stuff, I'd be interested in checking those things/places out. |
What is creative anywhere? Any example we give could be easily listed as a copy or similar to something else in the world. The truth is that the vast majority of posters on this forum do not associate with adult Koreans in normal contexts. They do not attend art shows, poetry readings, or performances. If you did, you'd realize that there are at least a couple of Koreans who manage to muster some creativity. |
Then list some unique stuff--I'm pretty sure that's what defines creativity anywhere. Maybe some people will rethink their position. The fact is, some people in this thread ARE under the belief that Korea lacks creativity and I doubt they'll change their position with you browbeating people and telling people to *beep* off. |
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Here's a quick list of some inventions...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Korean_inventions_and_innovations
but those alone do not encompass a culture's creativity. I'm sure that the various arts could add more to the list.
That being said, we could cast the same aspersions on any culture and ask 'how creative they are'. Are Canadians Original/creative? Are Australians?
Again, I'm not really here to debate which culture is more original, because I firmly believe that most of what we think of original thought was most likely copied from someone else, but instead simply objected to the post characterizing 80+million people as unoriginal. |
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whatever

Joined: 11 Jun 2006 Location: Korea: More fun than jail.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| Take it to the butthurt forum, lads. Butts can get hurt many ways. |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.yourdictionary.com/answers/who/who-invented-the-mp3-player.html
According to that source, Korea didn't make the first MP3 player. They made the first solid-state MP3 player though. |
It's a bit confusing though. I mean 99% of electronics have been "solid state" since the invention of the transistor. Were the other MP3 players sporting circuits built with tubes? |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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It's not really a slight to Korea when somebody says "Korea lacks creativity" or "koreans are not creative". Speaking in terms of Innovations/inventions, Koreans only create Korean things for Korean people. So yes, Koreans are creative when they create Korean products for Korean people.
Different countries are good at different things, relatively speaking, Country A can have almost zero creativity when compared to country B.
Every country on Earth boasts citizens who are creative, some countries just do a better job of creating things. It wouldn't really be a slight to Somalians if you said "Somalians aren't creative". So why is it a slight if you said "Korean's aren't creative"?
That list of Korean innovations and inventions listed from wikipedia is pretty sad though. Almost everything listed was created by Koreans, for Koreans and used in Korea.
Look at the list of stuff from canada, a relatively small and young country. In terms of inventions/innovations, Koreans have no creativity when compared to Canadians. |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Change it to "Koreans don't support or encourage creativity" and I'll agree. Every test from middle to high school is multiple choice pass or fail. There's little government support for the arts, and little local support for artists. Samsung and Hyundai are a major deterrent to any smaller, competing businesses and are fully endorsed by (if not nearly controlling) the government.
Koreans do produce a large portion of American and Japanese animation. |
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Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul yo
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Take it to the butthurt forum, lads. Butts can get hurt many ways. |
Whatever. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| It wouldn't really be a slight to Somalians if you said "Somalians aren't creative". So why is it a slight if you said "Korean's aren't creative"? |
I'd see it as a slight.
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| Change it to "Koreans don't support or encourage creativity" and I'll agree. |
I'd probably agree as well.
I don't think Korean society does a very good job of fostering creativity. But saying that, and saying that Koreans are not creative, are two very different things. |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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I understand why that statement sounds like a slight; in many circumstances, it probably would be a slight.
But based on inventions/innovations originating from Korea, it pales in comparison to other wealthy/industrialized nations.
So obviously, Korea by itself contains lots of creative people. In fact, every country on Earth contains creative people.
But if you're comparing Korea to other countries (inventions/innovations), like China, Japan, U.S, Canada, then relatively speaking, Korea is not creative.
If you are not comparing Korea to other nations, then I can understand why the statement would seem like a slight.
but by that criteria, you can say that Somalia is not a dangerous country, when you don't compare it to other nations. |
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Jeonmunka
Joined: 05 Oct 2009
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Some of the acts pay royalties ...
Anyway, listen to all the remix American stuff. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Basically what CC is reacting to is the sweeping nature of the statement made here (lack of creativity in KOREANS). I understand and agree with his reaction.
Sometimes people on this forum shoot off these comments about Koreans. A lot of times they are just comments they make without thinking and with no malicious intentions...just ignorant comments or shortcuts because generalisations are far easier to produce and create large categories that make for easy understanding. Basically, a generalisation is lazy writing based on a lazy thought process.
The other type of generalisation is the one made by a smaller number of people here which is racist in nature. You can read it in many threads like this. The topic discusses something about A KOREAN and the frenzy ensues with sweeping and demeaning comments worded on the 'Koreans are' template.
It takes more time to present things with perspective. It also makes discussion more complex because things become measured and include shades of gray. This however has the big advantage of fostering more constructive discussion. The sweeping comment on the other hand tends to fuel bash-threads.
Finally, CC made a salient point about the experience of many westerners in Korea and their interactions (or lack of interactions) with adult Koreans. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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"Koreans" is referring to a group of people. If the person had said, "Korea lacks creativity" then I could agree with that. Korea, as a country, places much emphasis on knowledge rather than creativitiy.
However, it was said "Koreans". So, Koreans are genetically indisposed to "lack" creativity compared to the "superior" Arian Race?
I swear, you replace all the word "Koreans" on this forum with the word "Blacks" and you would see there's racist comments left and right. |
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flakfizer

Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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"Koreans" is referring to a group of people. If the person had said, "Korea lacks creativity" then I could agree with that. Korea, as a country, places much emphasis on knowledge rather than creativitiy.
However, it was said "Koreans". So, Koreans are genetically indisposed to "lack" creativity compared to the "superior" Arian Race?
I swear, you replace all the word "Koreans" on this forum with the word "Blacks" and you would see there's racist comments left and right. |
I don't see it as quite the same thing. "Blacks" is only a racial term. There is no country called Blackistan where its citizens are simply called "Blacks". "Koreans" can refer to a race, I suppose, but it can also refer to citizens of Korea. People on here often make statements about "Americans." Is that okay? Or should they be careful only to say "America" is xxx rather than "Americans" are xxx? |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see it as quite the same thing. "Blacks" is only a racial term. There is no country called Blackistan where its citizens are simply called "Blacks". "Koreans" can refer to a race, I suppose, but it can also refer to citizens of Korea. People on here often make statements about "Americans." Is that okay? Or should they be careful only to say "America" is xxx rather than "Americans" are xxx? |
Not the same. America is not made up of a single group of people. "Koreans" can also include Korean-Americans/Candians/Australians/Chinese/British/Etc...
Americans are arrogant is not a racial statement because Americans do not represent a single race. The description "American" simply refers to one's country of citizenship or permanent residence.
Koreans, on the other hand, refers to a specific group of people. When people on this board use the word "Koreans" they are referring to a group of people, not people who are citizens of this country.
Would the OP who made the comment "Koreans are not creative" also apply to whites who are Korean citizens? I think not. |
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flakfizer

Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see it as quite the same thing. "Blacks" is only a racial term. There is no country called Blackistan where its citizens are simply called "Blacks". "Koreans" can refer to a race, I suppose, but it can also refer to citizens of Korea. People on here often make statements about "Americans." Is that okay? Or should they be careful only to say "America" is xxx rather than "Americans" are xxx? |
Not the same. America is not made up of a single group of people.
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Exactly, and so this somehow makes it okay to make statements about the citizens of heterogeneous countries while the citizens of homogeneous countries can't be criticized or else it must be racism. "Americans are loud" is okay but "Koreans are loud" is not. Right? |
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