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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: Is the market that flooded? |
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| I have been looking and applying for jobs with my gf for the last week. We both have education degrees and fit the unofficial qualifications pretty well. We are trying to get positions in Busan because we have connections there (I know it is a popular request). We have emailed schools and recruiters and no one has been of help to us yet, most haven't got back to us at all. Granted it has only been about 4 days since I have been sending out resumes. Are we just too picky and impatient or is the market saturated? |
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caribmon
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Market is not saturated. |
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mmstyle
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: wherever
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd say give it time. If you both have education degrees, you can find work, but 4 days is not a lot of time....especially if you plan on doing your homework to make sure that you end up in a good gig. |
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vaticanhotline
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Location: in the most decent sometimes sun
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, you're impatient. Don't worry, you won't have much trouble finding a job. |
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Ukon
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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I have experience(no teaching cert.) and noticed the same...
It would appear hagwons are hiring 1-2 months in advance, so if your looking for a Fall job, you'll have to wait.
90% of the jobs I see listed are start ASAP, June, or in July...only a handful for September.
Someone else here said Hagwons have to find out their Fall enrollments before hiring natives....makes sense given the summer period hasn't even started in Korea. |
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theshadowranger
Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Location: Bude/ MS/ USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| It took me 6 months to find the position that I recently got. It's gonna take time to find something. If you insist on being in Busan, then it will be tougher for you. You don't have to live in Busan. You could live somewhere close to it. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| I had to try many times myself last Winter. It wasn't instantaneous with multiple offers like many of you wrote in fairly recent times I read about last Fall and Winter. Well, things do change regularly and often it's not in the little guys favor. Or small people as some inept oil giant chief likes to call us. Things do tend to be getting increasingly harder the world over. |
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SunDevil Dre
Joined: 07 Jun 2010
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Is the market that flooded? |
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| bbud656 wrote: |
| I have been looking and applying for jobs with my gf for the last week. We both have education degrees and fit the unofficial qualifications pretty well. We are trying to get positions in Busan because we have connections there (I know it is a popular request). We have emailed schools and recruiters and no one has been of help to us yet, most haven't got back to us at all. Granted it has only been about 4 days since I have been sending out resumes. Are we just too picky and impatient or is the market saturated? |
I just started applying to multiple recruiters and it took about 4-5 days before they started responding. According to a friend who's in Korea now, many Hagwons have shut down recently due to the down economy. I don't think you'll have much trouble finding work with Education degrees though. |
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pikachun1
Joined: 09 May 2010
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| caribmon wrote: |
| Market is not saturated. |
really? i have always thought it was. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Is the market that flooded? |
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| bbud656 wrote: |
| I have been looking and applying for jobs with my gf for the last week. We both have education degrees and fit the unofficial qualifications pretty well. We are trying to get positions in Busan because we have connections there (I know it is a popular request). We have emailed schools and recruiters and no one has been of help to us yet, most haven't got back to us at all. Granted it has only been about 4 days since I have been sending out resumes. Are we just too picky and impatient or is the market saturated? |
Before the start of this 2nd Great Depression it was quite easy for teachers since the number of available jobs far exceeded the number of available applicants. As a result, recruiters would show a school only one applicant after a long wait on a take it or leave it basis. A school might have to call half a dozen recruiters to get to interview one prospective teacher.
In today's market, a school can call any recruiter and every one will provide multiple applicants to interview and choose from. The number of aspiring teachers now far exceeds the number of positions. However, what the market seems to be saturated with is people who lack the qualifications and interpersonal skills necessary to be a teacher. The number of good teachers has not risen nearly as much as the number of misfits. |
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bcjinseoul
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Busan is probably the tightest ESL market in all of Korea. EPIK in Busan, for example, fills up the public school positions there long before any other city or province...including Seoul. Like Seoul, every college in Busan pretty much wants an MA and college teaaching experience.
I think the reason most people have trouble finding work with the teacher surge is becuase they want to work in Seoul or Busan...which is where everyone wants to work. Myself as well.
Case in point: I'm finishing my 4th year in Korea, and I wanted to break the contract I now have with SMOE. During the winter break, I made initial contact with EVERY recruiter on eslcafe (70?) looking for an after school program or afternoon hogwon...but ONLY in Seoul. Only 10-15 got back to me, and no one had any after school programs...mostly just bad kindies from 9-7. There might have been 1 or 2 afternoon hogwons from like 1-10, but they just werent worth it.
Now, I would never work in the middle of the country, but surely Gwangju, Daejeon, Incheon, Daegu, etc can't be that bad...I worked in Gwangju for a year and liked it, and I also did a year in Gyeonggi, it was alright.
I've applied to a ton of colleges nationwide, and the next to zero that have gotten back to me are either a) in the middle of nowhere or b) have absolutely horrible conditions, long hours, no housing, etc. With the direction public schools are going out here, think I'll try for an after school program or afternoon hogwon next, and not limit the search to Seoul. |
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you like afternoon hours better because of your sleep habits or are the 9-6 jobs just bad deals? |
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bcjinseoul
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| Do you like afternoon hours better because of your sleep habits or are the 9-6 jobs just bad deals? |
Have you ever taught in Korea before? Those jobs half the time don't even give you pension or insurance, most people myself included don't like teaching kindergarten aged and preschool aged children (though elem rocks) you'll probably get no sick/personal days, you'll be working with a ton of 22/23 year old newbies, you'll be teaching 30 plus hours a week and will be there 50....why take that when you can work 4 hours a day at an elementary after school program from 1-530? Or a short shift afternoon hogwon from like 3-9? These days, most EPIK/GEPIK/SMOE public schools only give 4 weeks off. Just two more than the above two types of awesome jobs with same full time pay. Most people don't seem to get this until they've been here 2-3 years. If you have an MA in education, however, I'd be applying to colleges left and right... |
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven't taught in Korea before. That is why I asked. I don't have an MA in education. Just a BA. I do have some decent connections over there, so colleges may not be out of the question. It comes down to who you know not what you know, in my experience. My lifestyle is more suited for a daytime job right now. I think that if I got off at 9-10 pm every night I would develop a drinking habit. I am 24, so hanging out with people my age doesn't sound terrible. Honestly, I have had jobs that make anything Korea could throw at me laughable in terms of hours and frustration. I am pretty easy going. There is a lot of alarmist stuff I see on this forum and when it comes to not getting paid I get it, but the other stuff isn't that big of a deal to me. Really only people who have had bad experiences write about them online, so I think it is a little lop sided. I will consider a evening job though. seems like you know when you are getting out because the kids can't be there that late. Thanks. |
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