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BobbyOrr
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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I ran into some knee pain this year. My semi-educated theory is that it's because I stopped doing squats (no rack of course), but kept doing deadlifts. I think my quads lost too much strength relative to my hamstrings.
Anyways, keep looking for a new gym...
I've got a lot of work-out ideas from www.crossfit.com , although a lot of their exercises revolve around a power-rack. |
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MattAwesome
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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powerclean!
like a dead-lift but you bring the bar to your chest with your elbows down. then you can shoulder press for a more intense workout. |
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Sl300a
Joined: 05 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| noraebang wrote: |
I will update this thread when I get placed in my school.
I'm with the TaLK program so I will be in a rural area, and the first month is actually all teacher training in Yong-In so no problems there. Maybe I can even watch the Judo team over there.
I'm expecting a really small rural area to not have that good of equipment but I'm not sure. Sometimes when you find the oldest and cheapest gyms, they have all the basics like old rusted squat racks, even Olympic plates and stuff. My experience has been that new gyms are actually worse than old ones for that type of equipment.
Regardless, I'm bringing my Elite Rings (gymnastics rings), Captains of Crush, and all sorts of doo-dads but nothing for the legs really. |
Most people here dont work out seriously.
I would DEF bring the CoC's what set are you working on? I brought mine over too. I had to check out 5 gyms before finding a power rack. If you do find one, you'll realize that no one will use it in the gym and you'll have it to yourself.
It is very hard to find lifting chalk here, I would bring some over. If you have questions or what not you can PM me |
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rainman3277
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Zulethe wrote: |
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| here's an idea, learn some different exercises, sure I love squats too (particularly overhead squats), but there are a host of other exercises that work the same muscles. Lunges are a great exercise for quads, hamstrings, and gluts when you do them right and probably your best bet as a replacement exercise. They don't require as much weight; 2 heavy dumbbells, one in each hand should suffice. |
A person who knows little about lifting. The squat is simply the most important expercise for body building period.
Squatting increases testosterone levels significantly more than other exercises because of the full body exertion required when doing squats. No other exersise engages evey muscle in the body like the squat does. This leads to more development throughout the entire body.
The squat is simply the king of exersises
Now if your one of the 90% of people in Korea who go to the gym and get nothing out of it, then so be it.
The exercises you mention are good peripherals but nothing can compare with the squat.
any other questions? |
yea, my question is how is the view from the highhorse? 90% of people get nothing? wrong. And those exercises are not just peripherals? wrong. squats are great but they are not all or nothing. I've worked with enough athletes in uni. with knee injuries to know you are nuts. |
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bigwilly999
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Just a shot in the dark...anybody know of a gym near guro digital station or Doksan with a squat rack? |
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husker16
Joined: 05 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Dang, didn't realize there were so many powerlifters here in Korea. |
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Paladin Brewer
Joined: 25 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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A curious question from someone who is not super savvy on the weight lifting.
I too like doing squats, but no rack. However the health club here does have one of those assisted bench press machines (picture of what I mean is here: http://z.about.com/d/weighttraining/1/0/e/0/-/-/bench4.jpg )
Would it be alright to slide the bench out of the way and use that for squats? I know it's not as good as doing it unassisted, but you use what you can  |
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husker16
Joined: 05 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Paladin, for sure you can do that. You can also do many other lifts without the bench there like shoulder press, upright row, and high pulls. |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Paladin that would be a Smith-Machine and yes but there is a very different form to be used when squating with that machine. Research first or you might end up with an injury.
Husker would you really wanna do High-Pulls on a smith machine?
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/OlympicLifts/HighPull.html |
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crisdean
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Zulethe wrote: |
... because of the full body exertion required when doing squats. No other exersise engages evey muscle in the body like the squat does...
any other questions? |
Questions? sure, what full body exertion? (Back) Squats are a lower body exercise, they target one primary muscle group (the Quads) and hit a couple of secondary groups (hams, hip flexors) how is that engaging every muscle in the body? Can't say my arms, chest, shoulders, back, abdominals, or even my calves or gluts, have never been even slightly affected by back or front squats, maybe if you have horrible form other muscles get heavily involved. But still, in what why can you call that full body exertion?
Sure squats are a good exercise, I did a wide variety of squat-like exercises during my semi-competitve years of weightlifting. However the back squat was quickly left behind, because it wasn't as useful as a front squat or an overhead squat. If you want a truly good 'near full body' exercise, try the overhead squat, or a power clean/snatch, hell I'd say the standing military press is a better near full body exercise than the back squat especially if you're not using a rack for the weight and clean it off the floor for each set. People seem to get obsessed with the squat because they think it looks impressive because of the big weight.
Can't say anyone's ever thrown the testosterone argument at me before, I'd be interested to read the article or journal you've read that indicates this. (and no I'm not being sarcastic and trying to be an ass when I write this last part, I truly would be interested) |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Calves yea there being worked just not the same way with toe raises.
ATG squat engages the hip flexiors a lot. After you break parallel your hamstrings take over too.
Overhead squats are great too. Pretty much the same movement as a back squat but the bar is over head.
It's easier to learn to back squat properly than to learn cleans, over head squats or front squats. Don't kid yurself that these lifts are easily learned.
Yes in competitive lifting (olympic) the front squat and over head squat are more competition useful.
Just google the thousands of articles and research about the back squat.
It's been around for a long time and for a reason. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| crisdean wrote: |
| Zulethe wrote: |
... because of the full body exertion required when doing squats. No other exersise engages evey muscle in the body like the squat does...
any other questions? |
Questions? sure, what full body exertion? (Back) Squats are a lower body exercise, they target one primary muscle group (the Quads) and hit a couple of secondary groups (hams, hip flexors) how is that engaging every muscle in the body? Can't say my arms, chest, shoulders, back, abdominals, or even my calves or gluts, have never been even slightly affected by back or front squats, maybe if you have horrible form other muscles get heavily involved. But still, in what why can you call that full body exertion?
Sure squats are a good exercise, I did a wide variety of squat-like exercises during my semi-competitve years of weightlifting. However the back squat was quickly left behind, because it wasn't as useful as a front squat or an overhead squat. If you want a truly good 'near full body' exercise, try the overhead squat, or a power clean/snatch, hell I'd say the standing military press is a better near full body exercise than the back squat especially if you're not using a rack for the weight and clean it off the floor for each set. People seem to get obsessed with the squat because they think it looks impressive because of the big weight.
Can't say anyone's ever thrown the testosterone argument at me before, I'd be interested to read the article or journal you've read that indicates this. (and no I'm not being sarcastic and trying to be an ass when I write this last part, I truly would be interested) |
For the first part of your post (first two paragraphs)
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/strongman_power_lifting/squat-332299.html
For the last paragraph
http://fitnessforoneandall.com/nutrition/article/hormones/part_one.htm
Yes it's more about how exercise affects GH production than testosterone but it's interesting none the less. Scroll down to the bottom of part one and read the part under the heading of "Exercise induced GH Release.
A 400% increase seems pretty significant. |
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