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madoka

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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject: Baby for sale for $25 |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100625/ap_on_re_us/us_baby_for_sale
A California couple faces child endangerment charges after police say they tried to sell their 6-month-old baby for $25 outside a Walmart store.
Salinas police spokesman, Officer Lalo Villegas, said Thursday that Patrick Fousek, 38, and Samantha Tomasini, 20, were arrested early Wednesday, hours after Fousek allegedly approached two women outside Walmart and asked if they'd like to purchase his child.
The women initially thought Fousek was joking, but when he became persistent, they became suspicious and reported it to police, Villegas said.
"They did an outstanding job and gave our officers good information. I don't know if they're mothers but they definitely had that instinct to help," Villegas said.
Fousek and Tomasini were arrested at 1 a.m. Wednesday at their home. Officers said the couple appeared high on methamphetamine and the house was in disarray. A police report also claimed that Tomasini told Child Protective Services, who took the baby, that she had breast-fed the infant while under the influence, Villegas said.
The couple was also booked on charges of being under the influence of narcotics, and Fousek was also served with an extra charge of violating probation. Villegas did not have details of Fousek's previous brush with the law.
The couple was expected to be in court for an arraignment Friday, at which time they would be assigned public defenders. |
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Missihippi

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Location: Gwangmyeong
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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As sad as this is, you have to love the comments at the bottem. Here's one:
""Actually, Sears Roebuck still has the best quality kids on sale. You know what the guarantee is on Craftsman kids--they're tough and you can take them back and get a new one. Why buy anywhere else?"" |
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pangaea

Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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It's been said before - you have to provide an application and references to adopt a homeless dog from a shelter but anyone can have a kid.
Ridiculous. |
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flakfizer

Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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25 bucks for a baby? This reminds me of Raising Arizona when "the roadhog from hell" tells Nathan Arizona that the market will pay something like 50,000 dollars for a healthy, white baby. |
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sarahsiobhan
Joined: 24 May 2009 Location: Wherever I am , I am probably drinking tea.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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pangaea wrote: |
It's been said before - you have to provide an application and references to adopt a homeless dog from a shelter but anyone can have a kid.
Ridiculous. |
I cannot agree with this more strongly. I've never understood why you need a license to sell hot dogs and yet anyone is allowed to be a parent. Madness. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Great price! 25 bucks ,only at Walmart coould you find a bargain like that. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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sarahsiobhan wrote: |
I cannot agree with this more strongly. I've never understood why you need a license to sell hot dogs and yet anyone is allowed to be a parent. Madness. |
I would guess the ACLU had some hand in it.
I remember reading a case in law school about two severely mentally handicapped patients. They needed full time, live-in care at a medical center at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. At some point they figured out how to have sex with each other and started making babies every year. They were unable to understand the significance of their sexual activities and could not care for their children whatsoever. Doctors testified that they could only ever produce severely retarded babies who too would require a lifetime worth of fulltime care. So the staff tried to give them contraceptives and the ACLU stepped in to fight tooth and nail to make sure that they could reproduce at will. Nice. |
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sarahsiobhan
Joined: 24 May 2009 Location: Wherever I am , I am probably drinking tea.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Madoka.....That is ridiculous! Do you know what the reasons behind the decisions were? |
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madoka

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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Madoka.....That is ridiculous! Do you know what the reasons behind the decisions were? |
In a nutshell, their argument was that there is a slippery slope to full-blown eugenics. We're just racing ever faster to the society envisioned in Idiocracy. |
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HalfJapanese
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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If some government entity every tries to get a law passed where certain people are not allowed to have children (due to genetics, etc) it's best to be 100% against it.
Because laws always start less restrictive, then gradually over time, they become more restrictive. B/c society won't accept a huge change, but they will accept small changes over a long period of time; like slowly restricting everyones rights until they have none.
So hypothetically this law will start restricting people with certain genetic disabilities from having children, then it will start restricting certain criminals from having babies.....up until it will restrict those who don't make above a certain income to have a baby. And of course the media will try to get the publics consent by demonizing criminals and drug addicts and how they shouldn't have kids, and use other psychological tactics.
Of course the Global Elites, who want to reduce the global population to an estimated 85 to 90 % and are already doing this through "slow kill" methods with our food and water, would love this law b/c it would hasten that goal. |
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Fox

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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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sarahsiobhan wrote: |
pangaea wrote: |
It's been said before - you have to provide an application and references to adopt a homeless dog from a shelter but anyone can have a kid.
Ridiculous. |
I cannot agree with this more strongly. I've never understood why you need a license to sell hot dogs and yet anyone is allowed to be a parent. Madness. |
It's simple, really:
1) No agency can be trusted to distribute birth licenses.
2) Any sort of licensing process would take the birth rates of Western nations -- all ready fairly low -- and plunge them far below the basic requirement for a stable population.
3) People wouldn't stand for it; a large portion of the population (especially the lower class) would fail in their attempt to acquire a license and be outraged.
There are more reasons, but these cover the big basics. Parental licenses are just a totally unworkable idea at this point in time. |
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HalfJapanese
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:00 am Post subject: |
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flakfizer wrote: |
25 bucks for a baby? This reminds me of Raising Arizona when "the roadhog from hell" tells Nathan Arizona that the market will pay something like 50,000 dollars for a healthy, white baby. |
Well there is cases of CPS (Child Protected Services) taking children away from parents using BS excuses in order to sell them into adoption or other unspeakable trafficking, along with DynCorp. The UN has been caught doing this as well as many other ABC Agencies. |
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pangaea

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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:15 am Post subject: |
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HalfJapanese wrote:
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Well there is cases of CPS (Child Protected Services) taking children away from parents using BS excuses in order to sell them into adoption or other unspeakable trafficking, along with DynCorp. The UN has been caught doing this as well as many other ABC Agencies |
Is there proof of this? I mean that seriously. I don't know where you are from, but in the US it is a complicated process to terminate parental rights. Children can be taken into custody and placed in other homes, but actually going through the legal process to to terminate parental rights and make the children free for adoption can take years.
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In a nutshell, their argument was that there is a slippery slope to full-blown eugenics. We're just racing ever faster to the society envisioned in Idiocracy. |
Though I do wish something could be done to prevent those people who can't or won't take care of their children from having babies, I can see where people are coming from with that argument. Who would decide who is a fit parent and who isn't? In the case of two mentally disabled people who can't take care of themselves, I think the answer would be obvious. But where would we draw the line?
I do remember seeing a program on t.v. a few years ago about a woman who was a carrier of Tay-Sachs disease who continued to have children even after her first child died of the disease. I think she had at least 2 other children who also died of Tay-Sachs before the age of 2. Of course she came under serious criticism because of it. She knew that her chances of producing another child with the disease was something like 3 out of 4. I think her excuse was that she loved her children. I know it may be an overwhelming urge to have children of your own but I just don't think I could bring a child into the world knowing that I was more than likely condemning that child to a slow and cruel death. Under the circumstances I would have to choose adoption. |
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tanklor1
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:24 am Post subject: |
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A winner is you! |
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pangaea

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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:13 am Post subject: |
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tanklor1 wrote:
No need to be sarcastic. Just stating an opinion. |
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