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shinramyun
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| one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Always was, always will be. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Shin , you should join them in their fight. but I doubt if they really would want you. You come off as just another internet coward, mad at the U.s. because of some jealousy or an article you read. Man up boy! , sign up the Taliban is recruiting. I can respect a man who fights soldiers but someone who wants to kill unarmed civilians , because he is upset about politics. What higher purpose justifies the maiming and killing of civilians in a cowardly fashion. but it is funny to read all the crap written by those hiding behind the walls of the U.s. military . Nothing chnges, the few take care of the many! Man Up or shut up! |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| A few years ago a scumbag kidnapped raped tortured three small boys in Washing ton state. You could say he was committed and brave he knew the police would be after him and that he would almost certainly be caught and executed, but he focused and accomplished his task. |
This is getting off-topic a bit, but Wesley Alan Dodd raped and killed those three boys. He said on the Montel Williams show shortly before his execution that the reason he killed them was he thought if the kids talked, he'd receive a long prison sentence.
One could say that, if not for the draconian laws, those boys might still be alive today. How about we stop giving rapists incentive to murder their victims? |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| A few years ago a scumbag kidnapped raped tortured three small boys in Washing ton state. You could say he was committed and brave he knew the police would be after him and that he would almost certainly be caught and executed, but he focused and accomplished his task. |
This is getting off-topic a bit, but Wesley Alan Dodd raped and killed those three boys. He said on the Montel Williams show shortly before his execution that the reason he killed them was he thought if the kids talked, he'd receive a long prison sentence.
One could say that, if not for the draconian laws, those boys might still be alive today. How about we stop giving rapists incentive to murder their victims? |
Logic fail. By your reasoning that would give rapist more incentive to rape anyways. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| A few years ago a scumbag kidnapped raped tortured three small boys in Washing ton state. You could say he was committed and brave he knew the police would be after him and that he would almost certainly be caught and executed, but he focused and accomplished his task. |
This is getting off-topic a bit, but Wesley Alan Dodd raped and killed those three boys. He said on the Montel Williams show shortly before his execution that the reason he killed them was he thought if the kids talked, he'd receive a long prison sentence.
One could say that, if not for the draconian laws, those boys might still be alive today. How about we stop giving rapists incentive to murder their victims? |
Logic fail. By your reasoning that would give rapist more incentive to rape anyways. |
Would you rather rape victims were left alive or killed?
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shinramyun
Joined: 31 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Shin , you should join them in their fight. but I doubt if they really would want you. You come off as just another internet coward, mad at the U.s. because of some jealousy or an article you read. Man up boy! , sign up the Taliban is recruiting. I can respect a man who fights soldiers but someone who wants to kill unarmed civilians , because he is upset about politics. What higher purpose justifies the maiming and killing of civilians in a cowardly fashion. but it is funny to read all the crap written by those hiding behind the walls of the U.s. military . Nothing chnges, the few take care of the many! Man Up or shut up! |
Butthurt much?
Honestly, I really don't care about taliban or those other silly little jihadists who think they can change the world by blowing themselves into pieces.
And oh yeah, america F**K YEAH@! |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| Shin , you should join them in their fight. but I doubt if they really would want you. You come off as just another internet coward, mad at the U.s. because of some jealousy or an article you read. Man up boy! , sign up the Taliban is recruiting. I can respect a man who fights soldiers but someone who wants to kill unarmed civilians , because he is upset about politics. What higher purpose justifies the maiming and killing of civilians in a cowardly fashion. but it is funny to read all the crap written by those hiding behind the walls of the U.s. military . Nothing chnges, the few take care of the many! Man Up or shut up! |
the world isnt that black and white. US soldiers kill unarmed civilians a lot more than the taliban - we just call it collateral damage and write it off. Why dont you call them cowardly for bombing buildings of unarmed civilians from the sky?
just think about it. that's all i ask |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:50 am Post subject: |
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The idiot in times square wasnt even Taliban he was a nut case. As far as killing for a higher cause , you really think that justifies killing the unsuspecting and unarmed. Golly gee during fire fights the "freedom fighters" also kill women and children, kind of part of that war thingy . didnt the Taliban ethnically clean the mongol population from Afghanistan. thats a higher cause all right, the freedom to practice genocide.
But then I also realize that shin is just trolling to get a rise. I played along because this is probably a big big thrill for him.
Freedom to enslave half the population;woman, to live in a society in where education begins and ends with the teaching from the Holy book. Yeah their freedom fighters.
If you teach in Korea , be careful about advocating murder or acts of terrorism . the Koreans really frown on it. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Shin , you should join them in their fight. but I doubt if they really would want you. You come off as just another internet coward, mad at the U.s. because of some jealousy or an article you read. Man up boy! , sign up the Taliban is recruiting. I can respect a man who fights soldiers but someone who wants to kill unarmed civilians , because he is upset about politics. What higher purpose justifies the maiming and killing of civilians in a cowardly fashion. but it is funny to read all the crap written by those hiding behind the walls of the U.s. military . Nothing chnges, the few take care of the many! Man Up or shut up! |
the world isnt that black and white. US soldiers kill unarmed civilians a lot more than the taliban - we just call it collateral damage and write it off. Why dont you call them cowardly for bombing buildings of unarmed civilians from the sky?
just think about it. that's all i ask |
Actually, when it comes to matters like this I think things pretty much are black and white. Anyone organization that goes around killing civilians is more or less evil. That includes both the Taliban and the Western armies involved in these conflicts. Most people just want to live their lives without being shot at by lunatics. I really don't think they care whether those lunatics are American bumpkins who want college money or Muslim fanatics who want everyone to obey Islamic law.
This isn't something ethically ambiguous. Going around killing civilians is wrong. There's no point of compromise, and there's no need to compromise; nothing we're achieving here is worth the needless deaths of people who just want to go about their business. Even if there was some trade off for these innocents being murdered I wouldn't be open to negotiation on the matter, but the fact that there is no trade off makes it so much easier to simply flat out condemn what's going on here. The Taliban and the leaders of Western nations both need to accept this. As citizens of Western nations, it's up to us to vehemently oppose frankly evil politicians who support these wars. After that, it's up to the people of these regions to reject the brutality of the Taliban if they don't want to be exposed to it. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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I think we can all agree on that going around killing civilians is wrong. Even if its are our own government's soldiers, it's morally wrong. Of course, if you make this argument to average layperson, they might not want to agree with that. It's a very emotional subject for people who's close relatives were soldiers.
This is going into a different topic now but Im not sure if the taliban are interested in getting everyone to obey Islamic law. I know that's the argument Sam Harris might make and you probably buy into this but I'm not so sure about it anymore.
makes more sense to me that they are doing it as a reaction to American foreign policy in the middle east rather than because our lifestyle or because we aren't Muslim. You'd think they'll hijack planes in other countries like Australia, Canada or Germany but instead they went for the US.
Of course, what enables them to blow themselves up for such a cause is their belief that their violent acts can get them rewarded in the afterlife. I'm sure though that if they had long range missiles at their disposal they wouldn't bother hijacking planes. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
| A few years ago a scumbag kidnapped raped tortured three small boys in Washing ton state. You could say he was committed and brave he knew the police would be after him and that he would almost certainly be caught and executed, but he focused and accomplished his task. |
This is getting off-topic a bit, but Wesley Alan Dodd raped and killed those three boys. He said on the Montel Williams show shortly before his execution that the reason he killed them was he thought if the kids talked, he'd receive a long prison sentence.
One could say that, if not for the draconian laws, those boys might still be alive today. How about we stop giving rapists incentive to murder their victims? |
Logic fail. By your reasoning that would give rapist more incentive to rape anyways. |
Would you rather rape victims were left alive or killed? |
I'd rather they were not raped. It's very possible he got of on the killing as well, and used the jail time as an excuse. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
I think we can all agree on that going around killing civilians is wrong. Even if its are our own government's soldiers, it's morally wrong. Of course, if you make this argument to average layperson, they might not want to agree with that. It's a very emotional subject for people who's close relatives were soldiers.
This is going into a different topic now but Im not sure if the taliban are interested in getting everyone to obey Islamic law. I know that's the argument Sam Harris might make and you probably buy into this but I'm not so sure about it anymore.
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They are not really interested in making everyone follow sharia, just everyone in Afghanistan. The Taliban do not have, or did not have I suppose, ambitious foreign policy goals. The Taliban's world view didn't extend much past Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. They made the mistake of giving Al-Qaeda a base.
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| makes more sense to me that they are doing it as a reaction to American foreign policy in the middle east rather than because our lifestyle or because we aren't Muslim. You'd think they'll hijack planes in other countries like Australia, Canada or Germany but instead they went for the US. |
Are you talking about the Taliban or Al-Qaeda? The Taliban are doing it as a reaction to being invaded, pure and simple. Al-Qaeda has attacked several other countries including Spain, the UK, and others. Al-Qaeda isn't really even a homogeneous organization anymore, but rather a extremist franchise. Different groups have different goals and reasons for what they do, but most of the roots can be traced back to imperialism.
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| Of course, what enables them to blow themselves up for such a cause is their belief that their violent acts can get them rewarded in the afterlife. |
Not as easy as just that. The bombers family gets money, so if you are desperately poor and want to provide for your family that's one way to do it. Also many do it for revenge after someone in their family, often a civilian, is killed by foreign troops. There are probably as many reasons as there are bombers. The leaders are master manipulators who take desperate men and convince them to kill themselves for their cause.
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| I'm sure though that if they had long range missiles at their disposal they wouldn't bother hijacking planes. |
Of course, this is war and they use what they have available. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
| A few years ago a scumbag kidnapped raped tortured three small boys in Washing ton state. You could say he was committed and brave he knew the police would be after him and that he would almost certainly be caught and executed, but he focused and accomplished his task. |
This is getting off-topic a bit, but Wesley Alan Dodd raped and killed those three boys. He said on the Montel Williams show shortly before his execution that the reason he killed them was he thought if the kids talked, he'd receive a long prison sentence.
One could say that, if not for the draconian laws, those boys might still be alive today. How about we stop giving rapists incentive to murder their victims? |
Logic fail. By your reasoning that would give rapist more incentive to rape anyways. |
Would you rather rape victims were left alive or killed? |
I'd rather they were not raped. It's very possible he got of on the killing as well, and used the jail time as an excuse. |
I suppose that is possible, but if you were on death row, would you continue to lie at that point? Anyway, militating against your hypothesis is that he did not kill his prior victims. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
| A few years ago a scumbag kidnapped raped tortured three small boys in Washing ton state. You could say he was committed and brave he knew the police would be after him and that he would almost certainly be caught and executed, but he focused and accomplished his task. |
This is getting off-topic a bit, but Wesley Alan Dodd raped and killed those three boys. He said on the Montel Williams show shortly before his execution that the reason he killed them was he thought if the kids talked, he'd receive a long prison sentence.
One could say that, if not for the draconian laws, those boys might still be alive today. How about we stop giving rapists incentive to murder their victims? |
Logic fail. By your reasoning that would give rapist more incentive to rape anyways. |
Would you rather rape victims were left alive or killed? |
I'd rather they were not raped. It's very possible he got of on the killing as well, and used the jail time as an excuse. |
I suppose that is possible, but if you were on death row, would you continue to lie at that point? Anyway, militating against your hypothesis is that he did not kill his prior victims. |
Were the laws any different at the time of his first crimes, if not than that argues that it wasn't really about the prison sentence. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
| A few years ago a scumbag kidnapped raped tortured three small boys in Washing ton state. You could say he was committed and brave he knew the police would be after him and that he would almost certainly be caught and executed, but he focused and accomplished his task. |
This is getting off-topic a bit, but Wesley Alan Dodd raped and killed those three boys. He said on the Montel Williams show shortly before his execution that the reason he killed them was he thought if the kids talked, he'd receive a long prison sentence.
One could say that, if not for the draconian laws, those boys might still be alive today. How about we stop giving rapists incentive to murder their victims? |
Logic fail. By your reasoning that would give rapist more incentive to rape anyways. |
Would you rather rape victims were left alive or killed? |
I'd rather they were not raped. It's very possible he got of on the killing as well, and used the jail time as an excuse. |
I suppose that is possible, but if you were on death row, would you continue to lie at that point? Anyway, militating against your hypothesis is that he did not kill his prior victims. |
Were the laws any different at the time of his first crimes, if not than that argues that it wasn't really about the prison sentence. |
No, it just means that he learned from his first experience what would happen if the kids tell. |
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