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confucian
Joined: 13 May 2010
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
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Hell even the founding fathers were huge hypocrites saying that "all men are created equal" while they went home to black slaves whom they often beat and raped.
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You're right! Koreans only enslaved each other and beat and raped their own women. |
My point being that there are many cultures that have made racism and discrimination a habit, and it is culturally entrenched. |
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Interestingly, have you ever met a Korean who said, "Yeah, my grandfather was a slave until the Japanese colonization..." or whatever?
It seems that 100% of the population's ancestors were Yangban. I understand there is obvious shame in being the descendant of a slave or a butcher, but it's kind of odd that everyone is a yangban.
Maybe all the slave descendants were wiped out in the Korean war? (poor people end up in armies a lot more often than wealthy). |
I just read an article that said at one point 75% of the population were slaves. ZOINKS!!!! |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans feel secure and happier with the illusion that they are all related, brothers and sisters, a big family that looks out for eachother. A sort of national insurance policy. |
Anthropologist-extraordinaire strikes again! You are the-poster-formally-known-as-Julius, right? |
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Provence
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
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Hell even the founding fathers were huge hypocrites saying that "all men are created equal" while they went home to black slaves whom they often beat and raped.
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You're right! Koreans only enslaved each other and beat and raped their own women. |
My point being that there are many cultures that have made racism and discrimination a habit, and it is culturally entrenched. |
So you�re saying you think its okay because the founding fathers of the US were racist?
My point was that most industrialized nations are trying to become more open societies towards people of other ethnicities.
If a writer for a major newspaper in the US wrote about the "purity" of the US being �polluted� by foreigners they would be fired. They would also probably be shunned by society. However, in Korea it�s not a problem. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:24 am Post subject: |
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I'm still trying to understand why "racially pure Koreans" wouldn't let me into their bar the other night to watch Korea v. Uruguay. I was wearing a red Korea shirt and was there previously and spent a lot of money.
How am i going to defile them cheering for them at a football match???
Anyway, sorry for the vent, but I don't get that one. |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Up and down the 6 line
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: |
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I'm still trying to understand why "racially pure Koreans" wouldn't let me into their bar the other night to watch Korea v. Uruguay. I was wearing a red Korea shirt and was there previously and spent a lot of money.
How am i going to defile them cheering for them at a football match???
Anyway, sorry for the vent, but I don't get that one. |
Most tables at most places were reserved ahead of time. My group was turned away from many places and "being white" was never a reason why. Sometimes we just got the X arms-thing, but a quick look saw the empty tables had white cards on them.
Did you catch the explaination from them or are you assuming they did not want a foreigner there. From what I have experienced and seen on TV, Koreans were very accepting of the foreign Red Devil supporters. I shared many a soju with the tables around us in the little gabli place we ended up at. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| I find it interesting in India, where they have two set prices. The price, and then the foreigner price. The foreigner price can often be seen 10 times the price of the Locals price. Then again, even tenfold things are still intensely cheap. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| The Grumpy Senator wrote: |
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I'm still trying to understand why "racially pure Koreans" wouldn't let me into their bar the other night to watch Korea v. Uruguay. I was wearing a red Korea shirt and was there previously and spent a lot of money.
How am i going to defile them cheering for them at a football match???
Anyway, sorry for the vent, but I don't get that one. |
Most tables at most places were reserved ahead of time. My group was turned away from many places and "being white" was never a reason why. Sometimes we just got the X arms-thing, but a quick look saw the empty tables had white cards on them.
Did you catch the explaination from them or are you assuming they did not want a foreigner there. From what I have experienced and seen on TV, Koreans were very accepting of the foreign Red Devil supporters. I shared many a soju with the tables around us in the little gabli place we ended up at. |
They told me point blank that they weren't accepting foreigners in the bar for the Korea/Uru match. "Korean only - sorry" is what he said. So, I left and took off my red shirt and watched at home on live stream.
I watched the American/Algeria game there and spent good money previously, but I guess they didn't want to be bothered by foreign faces or something while watching this game, I don't know. |
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Jane
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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They told me point blank that they weren't accepting foreigners in the bar for the Korea/Uru match. "Korean only - sorry" is what he said. So, I left and took off my red shirt and watched at home on live stream.
I watched the American/Algeria game there and spent good money previously, but I guess they didn't want to be bothered by foreign faces or something while watching this game, I don't know. |
Wearing that red shirt only contributes to the smug, nationalistic ego anyway. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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It seems that 100% of the population's ancestors were Yangban. I understand there is obvious shame in being the descendant of a slave or a butcher, but it's kind of odd that everyone is a yangban. |
Also a reason for there being so few/common surnames in Korea. When the government made registering last names mandatory by law, people chose names associated with the upper class. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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It seems that 100% of the population's ancestors were Yangban. I understand there is obvious shame in being the descendant of a slave or a butcher, but it's kind of odd that everyone is a yangban. |
Also a reason for there being so few/common surnames in Korea. When the government made registering last names mandatory by law, people chose names associated with the upper class. |
But there are some lower class last names that are still kicking around.
There is some kind of easy to remember rhyme, or something, as follows
Chun Bang Ji Chuk Ma Gol Pi (천방지축/추 마골(고)피)
I think all are still in use, but you'll have to check out their associated Hanja and history before jumping to any conclusions.
There is a singer that goes by the name Magolpy (마골피), which probably is a small social hint on people with these last names being discriminated against in the past. But her music is all pop with no social issues being brought up. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Jane wrote: |
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They told me point blank that they weren't accepting foreigners in the bar for the Korea/Uru match. "Korean only - sorry" is what he said. So, I left and took off my red shirt and watched at home on live stream.
I watched the American/Algeria game there and spent good money previously, but I guess they didn't want to be bothered by foreign faces or something while watching this game, I don't know. |
Wearing that red shirt only contributes to the smug, nationalistic ego anyway. |
WOW and you criticised my lack of tact on a survivor post. Yeah because no other countries dres up in thier team color, or are in any way nationalistic at major sporting events.
That's why at virtually every olympic event I see thousands of blue shirts, American flags, and always hear the overwhelmingly loud USA! USA chants. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems that 100% of the population's ancestors were Yangban. I understand there is obvious shame in being the descendant of a slave or a butcher, but it's kind of odd that everyone is a yangban. |
I don't understand why there should be any shame for that. It's not like the current generation had anything at all to do with their ancestors being slaves or yangban. Too bad my attitude on that isn't widespread here. |
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toph
Joined: 10 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:14 am Post subject: |
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jvalmer: "But there are some lower class last names that are still kicking around.
There is some kind of easy to remember rhyme, or something, as follows
Chun Bang Ji Chuk Ma Gol Pi (천방지축/추 마골(고)피)
I think all are still in use, but you'll have to check out their associated Hanja and history before jumping to any conclusions.
There is a singer that goes by the name Magolpy (마골피), which probably is a small social hint on people with these last names being discriminated against in the past. But her music is all pop with no social issues being brought up."
Actually, some of this is inaccurate. First, that is not the hangul for "Chun." This is: 전. Also, Chun is a surname that was developed from yangban.
Okay, and I'm not too sure on those other surnames, as I'm not familiar with them (so I won't talk about them). But for a very popular one is Kim. Many people think that "Kim" started from a king (King Tae-Jo), but it didn't. It started BECAUSE of him. Surnames were mandated under his rule, and many of his loyalties decided to take it. So basically, there were a lot of "yangban" that decided to take the last name Kim that weren't related to each other. Also, commoners/"lower-class" decided to take the name Kim during this time, because it was 1) mandated to have a surname now, 2) associated with nobility, and 3) perceived to be of pure blood. So all of a sudden...there were all these Koreans with the last name "Kim" that weren't related to each other. And there was a mix of both yangban and commoners.
Also, this pattern wasn't exclusive to the surname Kim. It happened to the "big four:" Kim, Park, Lee, and Choi. So these names can be associated with both yangban and lower-class people, but it's very difficult to tell. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, some of this is inaccurate. First, that is not the hangul for "Chun." This is: 전. Also, Chun is a surname that was developed from yangban.
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I realize 천 and 전 are different, but the actual pronunciation of 천 is Chun.
It can be romanized Chun, Cheon, Chon, Chen or Choun.
전 can be Jeon, Jun, Chon, Chun, Chyun, Jan, Geon, Jeun or Cheon. |
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