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kingplaya4



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: England played poorly? Reply with quote

I was looking over some of the English newspapers, and it seems they are blaming the coach or overpaid players for the result. I'm American and no soccer expert, but what I saw was a weak backfield and a disappointing Wayne Rooney (is he actually a good player?), but otherwise the players especially Gerrard looked sharp to me.

To me the game was more of a testament to whoever the fossils running Fifa are that they need some kind of technology to make sure the refs actually do their job. I believe they review goals in hockey, don't see why this can't be the case here. There will always be the human element with free kicks etc, but that was rediculous.
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YLWRocketMan



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Germany probably would have won anyway, but the 2 second half goals for Germany were a direct result of England having to push forward to find an equalizer. Had the Lampard goal counted, they could have stuck to their gameplan. Germany were by far the better team though and deserved to go through
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Quack Addict



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now the country can get back to normal. South Korea and all the English speaking countries are knocked out.
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Senior



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right. FIFA is a joke.

Rooney was unfit. Perhaps some troubles off the pitch? He certainly didn't look himself. He scored 30 goals this season, he is a good player.

Both Gerrard and Lampard offered something. Lamps did score a "goal" after all. And he looked like scoring again. If he had been awarded his rightful goal, it might have been different for him.

Garry Barry wasn't up to much. The holding midfielder is a position they need to solve. Come back Hargreaves. If only Carrick wasn't a light weight. His passing from deep could be ruthless (he plays well in that position on Football Manager, why not in real life?)

They simply got found out at the back. Germany's second goal reminded me of Uruguay's first against Korea. Brain dead defending in the extreme.
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Germany out played them.. thats it!
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
Germany out played them.. thats it!


That much is obvious, but it was the manner in which England lost. Embarrassing defensive blunders, tactical ineptitude, and shoddy technical displays. England didn't even make it difficult for Germany. At times, the German players looked like they were on the training pitch.
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Jimskins



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Gerrard looked sharp!?"
"Gerrard offered something!?"

Don't know which game you boys were watching. Don't get me wrong, he's my favourite England player but all he offered were repeated 40 yard "Hollywood" balls to nobody. One of the reasons they keep him on the wing is to stop him doing this, but he still drifted inside and misplaced pass after pass.

Are you joking about Hargreaves?
From the Guardian March 25 2010: Richard Steadman, the Colorado based surgeon, who has operated on both Hargreaves' knees during the past 18 months, told him they were in a worse state than those of any professional footballer he had examined in 35 years.

Hargreaves would be grateful if he's able to manage the stairs to his seat in the Stretford end, let alone play for England again.

Its not Capello's fault, we simply don't have the players we did 10 years ago. In my opinion an endemic problem is that all the way down to grass-roots level coaching in England is practically none-existent, or poor at best. When i watch the little Korean kids at the football academy next to my place, I'm always amazed. Their technique is unbelieveable, from control to freekicks, and the coaching thorough. Most kids in England don't see a proper coach until they're in their teens, and then only if they're good.

When France didn't qualify for the 1990 World Cup (also in 1994), there was a massive shake-up and investment in coaching from youngsters to senior professional level. Who can say how much of a bearing it had on them winning the World Cup in 1998 and the Euros in 2000, but you can't deny that (present tournament excluded) France are a now a major and (resonably) consistent footballing power. They never were before.

What did England do after failing to qualify for the 1994 World Cup?
Bugger all.
And it shows.
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Senior



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimskins wrote:
"Gerrard looked sharp!?"
"Gerrard offered something!?"

Don't know which game you boys were watching. Don't get me wrong, he's my favourite England player but all he offered were repeated 40 yard "Hollywood" balls to nobody. One of the reasons they keep him on the wing is to stop him doing this, but he still drifted inside and misplaced pass after pass.


He was all right.

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Are you joking about Hargreaves?
From the Guardian March 25 2010: Richard Steadman, the Colorado based surgeon, who has operated on both Hargreaves' knees during the past 18 months, told him they were in a worse state than those of any professional footballer he had examined in 35 years.

Hargreaves would be grateful if he's able to manage the stairs to his seat in the Stretford end, let alone play for England again.


I'm aware of this, which is why I was lamenting his absence. It's always sad when an athlete has his career cut short. Dean Ashton was a particularly sad case at the beginning of last season.

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Its not Capello's fault, we simply don't have the players we did 10 years ago. In my opinion an endemic problem is that all the way down to grass-roots level coaching in England is practically none-existent, or poor at best. When i watch the little Korean kids at the football academy next to my place, I'm always amazed. Their technique is unbelieveable, from control to freekicks, and the coaching thorough. Most kids in England don't see a proper coach until they're in their teens, and then only if they're good.


My gripe was always the lack of refs (I'm not from England). Rugby down to the under 5's has a proper ref at every game. First grade soccer in my city had a ref every second week, the rest of the time it was up to the home team to provide someone.

Coaching sucked as well.

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When France didn't qualify for the 1990 World Cup (also in 1994), there was a massive shake-up and investment in coaching from youngsters to senior professional level. Who can say how much of a bearing it had on them winning the World Cup in 1998 and the Euros in 2000, but you can't deny that (present tournament excluded) France are a now a major and (resonably) consistent footballing power. They never were before.


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What did England do after failing to qualify for the 1994 World Cup?
Bugger all.
And it shows.


Don't they have a half finished facility some where?
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bianca_dee



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I can say after watching the game was that Germany performed really well in that game. It was an awesome display of their skills. Smile That alone surprised England.
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Savant



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either England were piss poor or Germany suprised them by showing them how well they can play good football.

Not to take anything away from the Germans but I'm going to go with piss poor.

It was embarassing watching the Germans run circles around the England team.
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Globutron



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Savant wrote:
Either England were piss poor or Germany suprised them by showing them how well they can play good football.

Not to take anything away from the Germans but I'm going to go with piss poor.

It was embarassing watching the Germans run circles around the England team.


I really thought Germany played beyond excellent. They found an obvious weakness and they did not hesitate to exploit it. Then they found about 19 more weaknesses and used them all against the team.

They are taller, faster, stronger - at least in this game, than I've seen in past games... Maybe not much taller.

If I wasn't so set on Argentina for the win - who still have yet to come out of their own skill, but still having scored more goals than any other team - I would go for Germany. Brazil is too obvious and cliche
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Globutron



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: England played poorly? Reply with quote

kingplaya4 wrote:

To me the game was more of a testament to whoever the fossils running Fifa are that they need some kind of technology to make sure the refs actually do their job. I believe they review goals in hockey, don't see why this can't be the case here. There will always be the human element with free kicks etc, but that was rediculous.


Sorry to message again but it was a few nanoseconds quicker than editing. They have 'Hawkeye' in tennis, also, where they see whether the ball is IN or OUT with a maximum fault of 5mm. Pretty straight forward to do. Very annoying that football doesn't use similar.
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YLWRocketMan wrote:
Germany probably would have won anyway, but the 2 second half goals for Germany were a direct result of England having to push forward to find an equalizer. Had the Lampard goal counted, they could have stuck to their gameplan.


Indeed. had the lampard goal been allowed, the whole match may have gone differently. You might say something similar about Mexico, or the SA match where the goalie got red-carded for nothing.
Its refereeing decisions like this that make or break the players confidence and rhythm.

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Germany were by far the better team though and deserved to go through


...Although they might not have played so well if it had been 2:2. England were getting to be on a roll when the ref stopped them. From what I could see England were playing better in the first half and had better posession.

Anyhow thats football... To be honest I kinda like the corruption and scandal of the poor referreeing. Sport is a metaphor for life- sometimes its brutally and randomly unfair, but you have to learn how to come back from adversity.
If they insert referreeing technology some of that message will have been lost I think.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quack Addict wrote:
all the English speaking countries are knocked out.


Ghana's not knocked out.
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calicoe



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Globutron wrote:
Savant wrote:
Either England were piss poor or Germany suprised them by showing them how well they can play good football.

Not to take anything away from the Germans but I'm going to go with piss poor.

It was embarassing watching the Germans run circles around the England team.


I really thought Germany played beyond excellent. They found an obvious weakness and they did not hesitate to exploit it. Then they found about 19 more weaknesses and used them all against the team.

They are taller, faster, stronger - at least in this game, than I've seen in past games... Maybe not much taller.

If I wasn't so set on Argentina for the win - who still have yet to come out of their own skill, but still having scored more goals than any other team - I would go for Germany. Brazil is too obvious and cliche


Yes, exactly. Actually, I just got pulled into watching soccer - uhm - football because of Argentina. I watched them play Korea to support the Reds, and then got pulled into the game by their power and skill. And, then the American team came along with their exciting drama, and now the Germans who seem to be in their own league. I can't wait to see them play Argentina! I am hungry for some real football now.

I'm American, and I was never into American sports because they all bored me, although I can see why people like the excitement of basketball and constant scoring.

But, I guess I am a football type, because it's the first sport that I actually want to watch, even on my own at ungodly hours in the morning, and I'm perfectly enthralled. Unlike the constant scoring sports, there is the tense build-up in soccer/football, the constant searching, and all of a sudden you see a set up and a play for the goal with various degrees of skill and creativity- it's awesome!

On another thread people were wondering why this sport hasn't caught on as much in the States. There are probably numerous reasons, but also, many of us outside of the suburbs were simply not exposed. For people in the inner-cities and urban environments, basketball is the sport of choice because you can find a hoop and a court in just about any neighborhood, regardless of income.

Not so with soccer. If I'm not mistaking, I think many of the little kids who play in the U.S. have to join a league or something.
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