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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:02 am Post subject: Daegu teacher applies for CIA job; then gets arrested |
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http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/24026595/detail.html
Mich. Man Accused Of Lying To Agents
POSTED: Thursday, June 24, 2010
UPDATED: 7:04 pm EDT June 24, 2010
DETROIT -- A Michigan man is being accused by federal prosecutors of making false statements on an application for a job with the CIA.
Glenn Duffie Shriver, 28, was charged Thursday after the government said he failed to disclose that he had several meetings with Chinese intelligence officers and received $70,000 from them.
He was charged with making false statements to a federal agent -- which is a felony.
Outside federal court in Detroit, Shriver's mother, Karen Chavez, defended her son.
"He's never done anything criminal, ever. He has no past criminal record," she said. "I love him. So, we'll have to work through this. That's all."
Chavez said from Grand Rapids, Mich., her son moved to China for work but left after the SARS outbreak. She said he moved back to the U.S. before moving to South Korea, meeting his fiance and landing a job teaching English at a university.
Chavez said her son recently had his job interview with government officials in Virginia before he drove back to her house near Grand Rapids. When he tried to fly back to South Korea, Chavez said her son was arrested at Detroit Metro Airport.
"He's a good kid. He loves the United States. We thought he was applying for a job to help and use his skills for the United States," Chavez said. "He hasn't had any contact back with China for at least five years, maybe six."
Schriver does not have a criminal history.
He is in the custody of U.S. marshals and will be taken back to Virginia for additional court hearings.
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The article doesn't mention it, but I know through mutual friends that he was working at a junior college in Daegu.
So if I am reading this right, he worked temporarily in China and met some Chinese intelligence who paid him an assload of money? To do what? Teach privates?! Go to Korea for awhile and then apply to the CIA?
Man, the one place I'd ever gamble with doing a shoddy job of a background check would certainly not be the friggin CIA. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| guy must have quite a background if he is able to even be interviewed by the cia |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Probably not connected in anyway but a few years ago I was approached by two men in gimhae , who wanted to go drinking with me and talk. there was a lot strange about these two guys. there Korean didnt sound Korean and their clothese were just wrong. Shoddy, ill fitting and they they kept insisting. A few days later one of the guys came by my school and started telling me about a great oppurtunity for me in China , lots of money, working for his friends company. The episode really bothered me. I thought then and I am not a paranoid that they were recruiting for something. People should be careful! |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Probably not connected in anyway but a few years ago I was approached by two men in gimhae , who wanted to go drinking with me and talk. there was a lot strange about these two guys. there Korean didnt sound Korean and their clothese were just wrong. Shoddy, ill fitting and they they kept insisting. A few days later one of the guys came by my school and started telling me about a great oppurtunity for me in China , lots of money, working for his friends company. The episode really bothered me. I thought then and I am not a paranoid that they were recruiting for something. People should be careful! |
So you met some guys and felt weird. WTF does this have to do with anything? |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Probably not connected in anyway but a few years ago I was approached by two men in gimhae , who wanted to go drinking with me and talk. there was a lot strange about these two guys. there Korean didnt sound Korean and their clothese were just wrong. Shoddy, ill fitting and they they kept insisting. A few days later one of the guys came by my school and started telling me about a great oppurtunity for me in China , lots of money, working for his friends company. The episode really bothered me. I thought then and I am not a paranoid that they were recruiting for something. People should be careful! |
Don't worry, I doubt they thought the CIA would hire you. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, I find this accusation hard to believe. His travel and work history in the application probably flagged him. They must had got him mixed up with someone or needed someone to pin the accusation to in order to close a case for someone yadda yadda to satisfy his inept boss.
I can believe that such ridiculous false accusations occur as I can't count how many times innocent people I knew went down over nothing just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If this guy was guilty, why did they wait until he applied for a CIA position?
Tread carefully if using USAjobs.com when you've been running around everywhere from Timbuktu to Beijing to Baghdad. Your travel and large amount of time abroad is suspect that you are working something more than teaching English to small children. To fed agents, it might sound ridiculously unbelievable for a grown educated smart looking man to explain he travels to teach English to small children and nothing more other than tourism. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Probably not connected in anyway but a few years ago I was approached by two men in gimhae , who wanted to go drinking with me and talk. there was a lot strange about these two guys. there Korean didnt sound Korean and their clothese were just wrong. Shoddy, ill fitting and they they kept insisting. A few days later one of the guys came by my school and started telling me about a great oppurtunity for me in China , lots of money, working for his friends company. The episode really bothered me. I thought then and I am not a paranoid that they were recruiting for something. People should be careful! |
FWIW, I know that the guy in the article lived in Busan area for a number of years. And according to news articles, the time of when he went back to China to visit with them (2007) would be around the same time as your situation. So who knows. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, I find this accusation hard to believe. His travel and work history in the application probably flagged him. They must had got him mixed up with someone or needed someone to pin the accusation to in order to close a case for someone yadda yadda to satisfy his inept boss.
I can believe that such ridiculous false accusations occur as I can't count how many times innocent people I knew went down over nothing just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If this guy was guilty, why did they wait until he applied for a CIA position?
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You should read more carefully. He was not guilty of anything except making false statements on his application. The reason this is a crime is because he was applying to a federal job and it is a felony to lie to a federal official.
So what ridiculous false accusations are you talking about? The only thing he was charged with was the false application. |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| failed to disclose that he had several meetings with Chinese intelligence officers and received $70,000 from them. |
Yeah, that ain't exactly going to China to take pictures of the Great Wall. I'm pretty sure the CIA asked him, "So, what did you do in China while you were there."
Doesn't people thiunk that interviewing with Chinese Intelligence and getting $70,000 from them would be a significance enough occurence to say something to them about it?
Don't any of you see that? am I the only one that sees somethign wrong with that? |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| failed to disclose that he had several meetings with Chinese intelligence officers and received $70,000 from them. |
Yeah, that ain't exactly going to China to take pictures of the Great Wall. I'm pretty sure the CIA asked him, "So, what did you do in China while you were there."
Doesn't people thiunk that interviewing with Chinese Intelligence and getting $70,000 from them would be a significance enough occurence to say something to them about it?
Don't any of you see that? am I the only one that sees somethign wrong with that? |
Have you forgotten about presumed innocent until proven guilty. After all, being accused of something is not necessarily the same as it actually being true. For example, I could easily believe that one of the people (such as an English teacher that knew him) that the CIA called when doing a background check on him, decided to make up this story as a practical joke. Of course, this is merely a hypothesis as I am only suggesting a scenario in which he is actually innocent. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| failed to disclose that he had several meetings with Chinese intelligence officers and received $70,000 from them. |
Yeah, that ain't exactly going to China to take pictures of the Great Wall. I'm pretty sure the CIA asked him, "So, what did you do in China while you were there."
Doesn't people thiunk that interviewing with Chinese Intelligence and getting $70,000 from them would be a significance enough occurence to say something to them about it?
Don't any of you see that? am I the only one that sees somethign wrong with that? |
Have you forgotten about presumed innocent until proven guilty. After all, being accused of something is not necessarily the same as it actually being true. For example, I could easily believe that one of the people (such as an English teacher that knew him) that the CIA called when doing a background check on him, decided to make up this story as a practical joke. Of course, this is merely a hypothesis as I am only suggesting a scenario in which he is actually innocent. |
This is the CIA we are talking about... |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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| failed to disclose that he had several meetings with Chinese intelligence officers and received $70,000 from them. |
Yeah, that ain't exactly going to China to take pictures of the Great Wall. I'm pretty sure the CIA asked him, "So, what did you do in China while you were there."
Doesn't people thiunk that interviewing with Chinese Intelligence and getting $70,000 from them would be a significance enough occurence to say something to them about it?
Don't any of you see that? am I the only one that sees somethign wrong with that? |
Have you forgotten about presumed innocent until proven guilty. After all, being accused of something is not necessarily the same as it actually being true. For example, I could easily believe that one of the people (such as an English teacher that knew him) that the CIA called when doing a background check on him, decided to make up this story as a practical joke. Of course, this is merely a hypothesis as I am only suggesting a scenario in which he is actually innocent. |
This is the CIA we are talking about... |
Yeah, that hypothesis is quite whacked. That means Glenn would have to have written down the name and number of the prankster as a character reference. Why would he put down a name of someone who is so flaky that they might go so far as playing a prank on the CIA. If you put down a friend like that as a character reference on a job app to the CIA, then you deserve to get investigated. That's like shouting 'bomb' on an airplane. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| failed to disclose that he had several meetings with Chinese intelligence officers and received $70,000 from them. |
Yeah, that ain't exactly going to China to take pictures of the Great Wall. I'm pretty sure the CIA asked him, "So, what did you do in China while you were there."
Doesn't people thiunk that interviewing with Chinese Intelligence and getting $70,000 from them would be a significance enough occurence to say something to them about it?
Don't any of you see that? am I the only one that sees somethign wrong with that? |
Have you forgotten about presumed innocent until proven guilty. After all, being accused of something is not necessarily the same as it actually being true. For example, I could easily believe that one of the people (such as an English teacher that knew him) that the CIA called when doing a background check on him, decided to make up this story as a practical joke. Of course, this is merely a hypothesis as I am only suggesting a scenario in which he is actually innocent. |
I'm fairly sure the CIA has enough resources to prove whether this story is true or false. If on the other hand it is completely unverifiable wouldn't they be more likely to just deny his application? The fact that they charged him with making a false statement on his application seems to indicate that they have some evidence as to the truth of the story.
Guess we'll have to wait until more news comes to light. |
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AtoZed
Joined: 20 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Any updates on this? I really want to find out what the $70,000 was for. |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Glenn Duffie Shriver, 28, was arraigned Thursday in a Detroit federal courtroom and is to be transferred to Virginia for further court hearings.
The alleged cover-up of involvement with a foreign government occurred there between Feb. 11 and Feb. 19, a criminal indictment states.
Shriver faces five counts of making false statements. If convicted, he could be sentenced to a maximum of five years in prison.
Court documents do not indicate what type of work Shriver was applying for, nor is it clear what services he performed for the People's Republic of China.
Federal prosecutors allege he had repeated meetings with foreign intelligence officers and had traveled to China in 2007. Records show he received $70,000 in cash from that country's government.
His application for CIA work either omitted or denied the had ever been affiliated with other intelligence services, records show. |
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/06/georgetown_township_man_accuse.html
NO updates other than that. There probably won't be any updates on this care on the news for a long time, if ever. Best to just contact the local news outlet there and ask for a follow-up. |
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