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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wintermute wrote:

This puts pressure on individual members of society to work harder and longer to pay their share of the burden,


Do you honestly believe that people work harder and longer now than they did 100+ years ago?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
wintermute wrote:

This puts pressure on individual members of society to work harder and longer to pay their share of the burden,


Do you honestly believe that people work harder and longer now than they did 100+ years ago?


I think what he means is harder and longer than they otherwise would have had to work.
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:

Do you honestly believe that people work harder and longer now than they did 100+ years ago?


I think what he means is harder and longer than they otherwise would have had to work.


Maybe they'll evolve to no longer need sleep, so they can adapt to the new reality.
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched this a long while ago. Everything it says about fractional reserve banking system, interest, monetary system in general is true.

I didn't really care too much about the section on putting other nations in debt and extraction of resources from them as most of us already know about this to some degree.

I thought the idea of moving from a monetary system to a resource based system was very interesting. The basic idea is that some things are so abundant that we can no longer put a price tag on them - like water and air. A resource based society would aim to make everything abundant so that the monetary system could be eliminated. It's quite brilliant, I'm not sure if all the kinks would be figured out but it's a good start.


I visited the venus project website and read through Jacque Fresco's essay:

http://www.thevenusproject.com/a-new-social-design/essay

A lot of technological aspects of this so-called resource based society is really baffling to me. I had no idea we were capable of having automated construction robots and other things he showcases on his website.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/technology/construction

Overall, seeing how this guy was trying to change the world made me feel very insignificant about the way I'm simply trying to accumulate wealth and become rich, then die - in that order. Mad
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HalfJapanese



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While Zeitgeist Addendum was a good watch, the film is not focused on the root cause of these global problems, they only focus on an intermediary layer.

The root of these global problems are the caused by global elites who own the banks and have a great influence on how the world is run, and they are using their power to shape the world in the way they see fit.

This film outlines their agenda: http://www.esoterictube.com/endgame-blueprint-for-global-enslavement.html

This film outlines how they are using political power to further setup their global government aka NWO (New World Order): http://www.esoterictube.com/invisible-empire-a-new-world-order-defined.html
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HalfJapanese wrote:
While Zeitgeist Addendum was a good watch, the film is not focused on the root cause of these global problems, they only focus on an intermediary layer.

The root of these global problems are the caused by global elites who own the banks and have a great influence on how the world is run, and they are using their power to shape the world in the way they see fit.

This film outlines their agenda: http://www.esoterictube.com/endgame-blueprint-for-global-enslavement.html

This film outlines how they are using political power to further setup their global government aka NWO (New World Order): http://www.esoterictube.com/invisible-empire-a-new-world-order-defined.html


actually the root cause of the global problems is the monetary system as explained in the movie. No monetary system, no elites.
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HalfJapanese



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
HalfJapanese wrote:
While Zeitgeist Addendum was a good watch, the film is not focused on the root cause of these global problems, they only focus on an intermediary layer.

The root of these global problems are the caused by global elites who own the banks and have a great influence on how the world is run, and they are using their power to shape the world in the way they see fit.

This film outlines their agenda: http://www.esoterictube.com/endgame-blueprint-for-global-enslavement.html

This film outlines how they are using political power to further setup their global government aka NWO (New World Order): http://www.esoterictube.com/invisible-empire-a-new-world-order-defined.html


actually the root cause of the global problems is the monetary system as explained in the movie. No monetary system, no elites.


The elites are the ones who make the fiat/paper money, they use the money and other financial tools to make their operation seem legitimate to the people. They are the ones who created the monetary/financial system and control it as a way to control us and the entire world.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you guys seriously get your facts/ideas/world views from a movie?
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HalfJapanese



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
Do you guys seriously get your facts/ideas/world views from a movie?


Well, what are you suggestions for how we should get our information?

The majority of the world has been influenced in how they think and act based on fictional movies, mainstream media, etc.

Movies seem to be the most popular medium to use to get the information out.

Just because it is a movie/documentary, doesn't automatically mean that it is totally not credible. These movies/documentaries allows the viewer to think critically and reflect on the past as a way to compare and validate the ideas and views presented in the movie.
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon, this movie actually talks about real shit, for realz

1/2jap: The elites didn't create the monetary system, that existed from columbus' time. Gold was traded into the goldsmiths for a receipt. those receipts became traded around like real gold making them money as we know of it.

the monetary system is not legit anymore because fiat money isnt backed by gold. Printing more of it is not helping either. A lot of countries such as China already realize this but have a tough time getting out of US currency because they have so much it. Same goes with the rest of the world. There doesn't seem like anything we can do realistically other than let the system collapse by itself.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HalfJapanese wrote:
Leon wrote:
Do you guys seriously get your facts/ideas/world views from a movie?


Well, what are you suggestions for how we should get our information?

The majority of the world has been influenced in how they think and act based on fictional movies, mainstream media, etc.

Movies seem to be the most popular medium to use to get the information out.

Just because it is a movie/documentary, doesn't automatically mean that it is totally not credible. These movies/documentaries allows the viewer to think critically and reflect on the past as a way to compare and validate the ideas and views presented in the movie.


The very nature of film means that it's treatment of subjects will inevitably be superficial. This is mostly due to the limitations of a running time. Also film is an ideal medium for propaganda as the inclusion of sound and images makes it easier to sensationalize the information. It is easier to manipulate emotions with film than just about any other medium. Also if someone is mainly looking to one source or types of sources than its a self fulfilling endeavor. These types of films are obviously biased towards their world view and make no effort to present any other ideas, there for any thing they say should be meet with skepticism. If you don't go out of your way to get unbiased information, or at least information from several view points, then you are not likely to have an accurate view of whats going on.
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mises



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF I were a conspiratorial person, I'd see the video as part of a disinformation campaign by vile bankers and similar thugs.

The way the money system functions is accurately depicted but is included with a hodge podge of nutty nonsense about nothing of importance. So the association is that an truthful depiction of X is associated with Crazy Y.
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:


The very nature of film means that it's treatment of subjects will inevitably be superficial. This is mostly due to the limitations of a running time. Also film is an ideal medium for propaganda as the inclusion of sound and images makes it easier to sensationalize the information. It is easier to manipulate emotions with film than just about any other medium. Also if someone is mainly looking to one source or types of sources than its a self fulfilling endeavor. These types of films are obviously biased towards their world view and make no effort to present any other ideas, there for any thing they say should be meet with skepticism. If you don't go out of your way to get unbiased information, or at least information from several view points, then you are not likely to have an accurate view of whats going on.


this post made me think of movies like Schindler's List
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HalfJapanese



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:

1/2jap: The elites didn't create the monetary system, that existed from columbus' time. Gold was traded into the goldsmiths for a receipt. those receipts became traded around like real gold making them money as we know of it.


Yeah, after seeing Zeitgeist II Addendum, I thought that the monetary system was the end all cause and reason for a lot of things wrong in the world. But then I heard about Alex Jones and saw some of his documentaries, and saw that their is a bigger myriad of issues that are above the monetary system.

I would recommend watching the End Game documentary to everyone. It goes over the history of how these Elite families got into power and how they are currently affecting the world today.
http://www.esoterictube.com/endgame-blueprint-for-global-enslavement.html

As for getting a crash course and info about the New World Order:
http://www.esoterictube.com/invisible-empire-a-new-world-order-defined.html
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wintermute



Joined: 01 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HalfJapanese wrote:
recessiontime wrote:

1/2jap: The elites didn't create the monetary system, that existed from columbus' time. Gold was traded into the goldsmiths for a receipt. those receipts became traded around like real gold making them money as we know of it.


Yeah, after seeing Zeitgeist II Addendum, I thought that the monetary system was the end all cause and reason for a lot of things wrong in the world. But then I heard about Alex Jones and saw some of his documentaries, and saw that their is a bigger myriad of issues that are above the monetary system.

I would recommend watching the End Game documentary to everyone. It goes over the history of how these Elite families got into power and how they are currently affecting the world today.
http://www.esoterictube.com/endgame-blueprint-for-global-enslavement.html

As for getting a crash course and info about the New World Order:
http://www.esoterictube.com/invisible-empire-a-new-world-order-defined.html


One thing I really like about Zeitgeist Addendum and the Venus project, (which I need to check out more closely) is that it presented alternative systems.

It's all very well to point out how bad the elites are, and raise awareness of them, but at the end of the day, they are doing what they do with our consent. We are as much a part of the problem as they are.

Constructing alternative systems based on a more evolved paradigm of life on earth is the only way forward. When the time is right, and we are ready, there will be a seamless transition.

Alex-Jones-style confrontational opposition will play into their hands by giving them cause to militarize, dig in, and demonize the opposition.
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