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HalfJapanese
Joined: 02 Feb 2010
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Sorry to hear about your situation OP. Just keep on pushing and be persistent until they investigate and find this guy.
I thought there was a time when some said that the men in Asian countries do not mess with foreign women of European decent, but I guess those times have change and they are not longer afraid or nervous. I thought groping on trains was bad enough, but to hear about forceful abductions, that's very shocking. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| OP I think what you should do though is be a lot more careful when you are out! You have to be able to keep your wits about you or bad things are going to happen every single time. This is true for anyone, regardless of age or sex. Believe me, everyone learns this lesson the hard way sooner or later! Stay Safe! |
Yeah, that's right, it's all the victim's fault.  |
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thekakapo
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| greatunknown wrote: |
| OP I think what you should do though is be a lot more careful when you are out! You have to be able to keep your wits about you or bad things are going to happen every single time. This is true for anyone, regardless of age or sex. Believe me, everyone learns this lesson the hard way sooner or later! Stay Safe! |
Believe me, that's what I've been hearing from my mom every time we talk since the initial "OMG you're alive and safe thank GOD!"
Part of what I wanted to do by posting my story here was to remind women that this isn't the safest place to get drunk. It's not drinking at a college party with all your friends. It's a bar and your friend might just decide he has to leave you alone for one reason or another.
I don't think I deserved what I got, but I recognize that I put myself into a risky situation. I do plan to act differently in the future. |
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Gaber
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Glad you got out of there ok, really hope this PoS gets what's coming to him. |
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thomas pars
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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"Yeah, women shouldn't drink because it encourages men to rape them."
Actually, woman should not drink because physically their bodies handle
alcohol much differently than men. While many people believe that men have a better tolerance than women, females actually have more enzymes that process the substance. Although this results in flushing alcohol out of the body sooner, it also results in women achieving a higher blood alcohol content, or BAC, faster than men.
On the other hand, women's ability to process alcohol faster than men is often overshadowed by their higher body fat percentage. Alcohol gets stored in fat, so the higher a person's body fat percentage is, the faster they typically feel the effects of alcohol.
If you get blind drunk, puking against a wall you drank too much. And
if you're a woman you better believe that someone will be there to
exploit it. |
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b-class rambler
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Glad that the OP is ok and I think the high horse people should give her a bit of a break as she has admitted the contribution of her own foolishness to what happened from the start. That said, the OP asking others to attack someone, whilst an understandable emotional response in the circumstances, is not a good idea and I'd suggest editing that out, even if it wasn't intended seriously.
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I also think that perhaps the reason the police were so focused on you not knowing the make of the car might be because you mentioned you didn't get the hangul in the licence plate. The numbers are great, but without the essential hangul in the plate #, they probably need the the make of the car to go along with the numbers to make sure they have the right guy.
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That's exactly what I was thinking as I read through this thread. If the hangeul of the plate is missing then the police are basically being given a set of numbers that could potentially lead to them to several dozen different vehicles, and that's assuming the numbers are definitely correct. And if you can't give them other key info such as the make of car, then they'd not be being unreasonable to doubt that even the numbers they do have are correct. In that situation, the police are pretty much in needle in haystack territory, I'm afraid.
I'm no big fan of much of the Korean police's diligence or effectiveness (nor are many Koreans I know) and I do sympathise with the OP's frustration. However, as others have said, lone testimony of very drunk witness omitting a number of very key details probably isn't going to get the case very far in most corners of the world. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| thomas pars wrote: |
"Yeah, women shouldn't drink because it encourages men to rape them."
Actually, woman should not drink because physically their bodies handle
alcohol much differently than men. While many people believe that men have a better tolerance than women, females actually have more enzymes that process the substance. Although this results in flushing alcohol out of the body sooner, it also results in women achieving a higher blood alcohol content, or BAC, faster than men.
On the other hand, women's ability to process alcohol faster than men is often overshadowed by their higher body fat percentage. Alcohol gets stored in fat, so the higher a person's body fat percentage is, the faster they typically feel the effects of alcohol.
If you get blind drunk, puking against a wall you drank too much. And
if you're a woman you better believe that someone will be there to
exploit it. |
my god where did you learn such nonsense? it doesn't take a heck of a lot of chemistry to understand OH = alcohol and H2O is water = why on earth would you believe alcohol is stored in fat? in fact, it's digested and processed thru the liver which is why excess drinking eventually hurts one's liver.
furthermore, alcohol dehydronase is a protein that is dependent on one's genes, not one's sex. body weight is more of an indicator as to how fast one will process alcohol, as is also how in shape one is - work out a lot, your tolerance goes up; be slovenly, it goes down because the oxygen in your blood helps in the digestion system.
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| greatunknown wrote: |
| OP I think what you should do though is be a lot more careful when you are out! You have to be able to keep your wits about you or bad things are going to happen every single time. This is true for anyone, regardless of age or sex. Believe me, everyone learns this lesson the hard way sooner or later! Stay Safe! |
Yeah, that's right, it's all the victim's fault. |
I don't think he was saying that at all.  |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| thekakapo wrote: |
I know that I drank too much. It's not something I do regularly by a long shot. I am not an alcoholic.
However, drinking heavily is something that many foreigners do on a weekly basis. I've seen foreign men passed out in Itaewon before, and men aren't invulnerable, either. I wanted to remind people that this kind of thing DOES happen to foreign women (I think we all know it happens to Korean women) and to share my story. I know I'll be more careful in the future, even if being more careful means that if I feel sick after drinking I'll stay inside with friends rather than go outside for air. I won't leave friends alone even for a minute.
AND I thought I was doing my very best by getting those liscence plate numbers. I went to an all-girls high school, and that was something reinforced a thousand times. Get the plates. Get the plates. Write down the plates and the mark of the car if you recognize it. Honestly, I think that with a full set of numbers, even disregarding the hangeul symbol that was in the middle, they SHOULD be able to find the culprit. But they're probably not going to. I wish I had taken more note of his face (I was turned away out of fear) and thought to look at the decal of the car- I mean, for feck's sake though, what's the liklihood it wasn't a Korean car?
I hope that the police get off their asses and do something about this, but I also just want it to be very much over. Three hours hanging around at a police station, watching officers twiddle their thumbs and repeatedly ask questions I had already answered fifteen times, was enough hours. |
OP, it would not be unreasonable of you to call a rape crisis line in the U.S. (assuming you are american) or your home country, where the reponse will be in English.
as for writing down the plates - your school was referring to back in your home country as to procedures to follow - here in Korea it's going to be a bit different, as you've found out. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, but in the eyes of the Korean police this is simply a guy in a car picking up a drunk girl and getting fresh. If he actually hurt you in demonstrable way then they might do something......
......that's just the way it is here......attempted rape is not rape. No harm, no foul. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
Sorry, but in the eyes of the Korean police this is simply a guy in a car picking up a drunk girl and getting fresh. If he actually hurt you in demonstrable way then they might do something......
......that's just the way it is here......attempted rape is not rape. No harm, no foul. |
Except that attempted rape is still a crime in Korea.
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/06/composer-charged-for-attempted-rape-by-a-female-singer
Not quite sure who's viewpoint you are attempting to attribute to the Korean police but it's not theirs.
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jjurabong
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| OP, I am sorry you had to experience this. If the police continue to be ineffective, call the press. Start with the English press, and then see if they can link you to a Korean reporter. Bring the story to the police station. Put as much pressure on them as you can. This guy will do this again. You can help. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| eamo wrote: |
Sorry, but in the eyes of the Korean police this is simply a guy in a car picking up a drunk girl and getting fresh. If he actually hurt you in demonstrable way then they might do something......
......that's just the way it is here......attempted rape is not rape. No harm, no foul. |
Except that attempted rape is still a crime in Korea.
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/06/composer-charged-for-attempted-rape-by-a-female-singer
Not quite sure who's viewpoint you are attempting to attribute to the Korean police but it's not theirs. |
I wonder if in your linked example was the accused attempted rapist convicted? Or just charged?
I don't think you can know the opinions of the Korean police anymore than I do on this matter.........I'm going to guess some police chiefs may see attempted rape as a serious crime, while others don't. |
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HalfJapanese
Joined: 02 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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BRIAN IN JEOLLANAM-DO linked this post on his blog and gave the description below:
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/
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| A teacher on Dave's ESL Cafe posts about an illegal cab driver who forced her into his car and assaulted her in Seoul last Thursday. The post and the responses brings up a number of familiar points of discussion: police inactivity, overdrinking in Seoul, and unsafe taxi drivers legal and otherwise. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| eamo wrote: |
Sorry, but in the eyes of the Korean police this is simply a guy in a car picking up a drunk girl and getting fresh. If he actually hurt you in demonstrable way then they might do something......
......that's just the way it is here......attempted rape is not rape. No harm, no foul. |
Except that attempted rape is still a crime in Korea.
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/06/composer-charged-for-attempted-rape-by-a-female-singer
Not quite sure who's viewpoint you are attempting to attribute to the Korean police but it's not theirs. |
I wonder if in your linked example was the accused attempted rapist convicted? Or just charged?
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It doesn't matter. It still proves that in Korea attempted rape is a crime. Otherwise he wouldn't be charged with anything... the supposed private opinions of police chiefs notwithstanding. |
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