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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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The actual fighting force would be exactly the same (the current sizable professional Army), just that the conscripted troops would be replaced with reservists. So you would have a slightly smaller, but many times more motivated (not that they would need that much motivation if NK attacked), military. The majority of men would still sign up for the reserves anyway (imo). It just means the dudes who aren't cut out for it/mormon don't have to come up with lame brained excuses to get out of it.
Slightly off topic, but freedom and liberty (which conscription expressly destroys for a set period of time) is worth more than the risk of attack. People understand that an invasion by NK would destroy their liberty so they are likely to sign up for the reserve (or regular Army) for this reason alone. |
I don't see many signing up voluntarily. I know I would do all I can to avoid service (without harming myself) back home and most of my friends would do the same. In the event of a war, without conscription, they would have to do what they did the first time, patrol the streets and round up guys that look 18-25 years old and send them to the front. Actually, still might do that in the event of an attack, even with their current mandatory service. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
The actual fighting force would be exactly the same (the current sizable professional Army), just that the conscripted troops would be replaced with reservists. So you would have a slightly smaller, but many times more motivated (not that they would need that much motivation if NK attacked), military. The majority of men would still sign up for the reserves anyway (imo). It just means the dudes who aren't cut out for it/mormon don't have to come up with lame brained excuses to get out of it.
Slightly off topic, but freedom and liberty (which conscription expressly destroys for a set period of time) is worth more than the risk of attack. People understand that an invasion by NK would destroy their liberty so they are likely to sign up for the reserve (or regular Army) for this reason alone. |
I don't see many signing up voluntarily. I know I would do all I can to avoid service (without harming myself) back home and most of my friends would do the same. In the event of a war, without conscription, they would have to do what they did the first time, patrol the streets and round up guys that look 18-25 years old and send them to the front. Actually, still might do that in the event of an attack, even with their current mandatory service. |
It would surprise me if they sent a wall of meat into the front like they did in the 20th century. The western powers will just bring their superior tech advantage to bear. We haven't had that style of war since the last Korea War, what makes you think it will happen this time? |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| It would surprise me if they sent a wall of meat into the front like they did in the 20th century. The western powers will just bring their superior tech advantage to bear. We haven't had that style of war since the last Korea War, what makes you think it will happen this time? |
Haven't had that style of war since the Korean War? How about Vietnam? The US lost over 50,000 soldiers.
And I guess the US army's superior tech advantage is why the US is still fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan 8 years on.
Also, no they probably won't send in a wall a meat to start things off, but you still need troops on the ground eventually. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Well when you live next to a country that could attack at any moment and makes repeated provocations such as nuclear tests and the sinking of one of your warships, you want as many trained soldiers as possible. And those are just the most recent ones in a long list of said provocations. |
HAI GUISE LETZ STAWP DIS ADUM BOM WIT OUR CONSKRIPTED SOULJERS!!!!!!!!!! |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
| It would surprise me if they sent a wall of meat into the front like they did in the 20th century. The western powers will just bring their superior tech advantage to bear. We haven't had that style of war since the last Korea War, what makes you think it will happen this time? |
Haven't had that style of war since the Korean War? How about Vietnam? The US lost over 50,000 soldiers.
And I guess the US army's superior tech advantage is why the US is still fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan 8 years on.
Also, no they probably won't send in a wall a meat to start things off, but you still need troops on the ground eventually. |
Vietnam was a wall of meat vs. guerrillas so I guess you are right. (can we please stop saying "wall of meat", I will if you will).
Once the war is won, there isn't likely to be need for large numbers of troops, because the NKs probably aren't going to be mounting a fanatical counter insurgency (though I'm sure there will be some die hards). Civilians will be able to do the work that the Army is doing in the warzones you mentioned. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| there would be PLENTY of draft dodgers if service was mandatory back home too.. COME ON!!! |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| there would be PLENTY of draft dodgers if service was mandatory back home too.. COME ON!!! |
I'd certainly do everything to dodge the draft........give up two years of my life to be mistreated by some dumbass military types???? You must be joking..... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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I guess you're not familar with Korean internet forums?
When a Korean does something bad...it's quickly forgotten about.
But when a foreigner does something bad, it's an indictment of the entire nation (men, women and children) and covers all their ancestors and descendants to the end of time. |
Fixed. It works both ways. The internet is a breeding ground for ill-formed ideas and opinions masquerading as fact. |
Nice one........although urbanmyth lost the skill of critical thinking a long time ago so there's no point reminding him that it works both ways. |
I'm well aware it works both ways. That was not the issue though. Someone asked why a football team was representative of the country and I pointed out that it's a popular pastime on here to extrapolate from a single person engaging in bad actions to the entire country.
Surely someone who is a master of critical thinking such as your venerable self can see the difference between (A)pointing that out and (B) stating that this never happens with Koreans or on Korean internet forums.
Then again maybe not.... |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Where is all this so called love for korea???? |
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lol, okay the ignorance you have asside, why does nationalism equate with serving your country in the military.
I would never want to join a military unless I HAD to, like the world is at stake and my country is in imminent danger, okay give me a gun, some training and I will do it.
Going to fight wars for governments to steal oil or force ideology on others, or to fight the war your daddy didn't finish is not something some of us wish to do.
I watched so many shows and so many news reports where if you spoke out against the war you were unamerican and unpatriotic even though they were yet again fighthing another unjust war, one entered into under false pretenses.
I would not want to die for that either.
Why in the hell does not wanting to be in the military mean that you are not a huge fan of your country or unpatriotic?
Yes they want to represent their country, not be forced to do something they don't choose to , don't want to, for that country. |
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Mariella713
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:50 am Post subject: Re: Where is all this so called love for korea???? |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
lol, okay the ignorance you have asside, why does nationalism equate with serving your country in the military.
I would never want to join a military unless I HAD to, like the world is at stake and my country is in imminent danger, okay give me a gun, some training and I will do it.
Going to fight wars for governments to steal oil or force ideology on others, or to fight the war your daddy didn't finish is not something some of us wish to do.
I watched so many shows and so many news reports where if you spoke out against the war you were unamerican and unpatriotic even though they were yet again fighthing another unjust war, one entered into under false pretenses.
I would not want to die for that either.
Why in the hell does not wanting to be in the military mean that you are not a huge fan of your country or unpatriotic?
Yes they want to represent their country, not be forced to do something they don't choose to , don't want to, for that country. |
I agree with what you said, but to be fair, the article did say �Many players want to play in big leagues in Europe but cannot because of the military service."...that is the main focus of the article - they want to be excused because they want to play with the big boys.  |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Where is all this so called love for korea???? |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
lol, okay the ignorance you have asside, why does nationalism equate with serving your country in the military.
I would never want to join a military unless I HAD to, like the world is at stake and my country is in imminent danger, okay give me a gun, some training and I will do it.
Going to fight wars for governments to steal oil or force ideology on others, or to fight the war your daddy didn't finish is not something some of us wish to do.
I watched so many shows and so many news reports where if you spoke out against the war you were unamerican and unpatriotic even though they were yet again fighthing another unjust war, one entered into under false pretenses.
I would not want to die for that either.
Why in the hell does not wanting to be in the military mean that you are not a huge fan of your country or unpatriotic?
Yes they want to represent their country, not be forced to do something they don't choose to , don't want to, for that country. |
I agree with what you said, but to be fair, the article did say �Many players want to play in big leagues in Europe but cannot because of the military service."...that is the main focus of the article - they want to be excused because they want to play with the big boys. |
ah, I didn't read the article.
BUt that is not waht the OP suggested in any way |
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