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The Happy Warrior
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| mises wrote: |
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Margolis is a HIGHLY suspect source.
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No. He's a highly credible source. |
Someone who claims that Operation Barbarossa was a "preventative war" forced on Hitler is not very credible.
As is someone who attempts to somewhat exonerate Hitler, by stating the Allies shared the blame for starting WWII. Well yes, if defending their allies and themselves is a blameworthy act, then I guess one could see it that way. |
Ha. TUM goes right to WW2. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
I am also completely unmoved. EM is a highly credible source. |
TUM likes the 'shame the source' game. It was a contributing reason why I called him an Israeli apologist on the other thread. I don't like classifying people on these message boards, but after a certain while, it becomes tiresome to deal with those people who like to refute everything someone says under the justification that they may have said something very wrong once. But TUM shouldn't be singled out, everyone on this board does plays this game to some extent. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Mosley wrote: |
Margolis is a HIGHLY suspect source.
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No. He's a highly credible source. |
Someone who claims that Operation Barbarossa was a "preventative war" forced on Hitler is not very credible.
As is someone who attempts to somewhat exonerate Hitler, by stating the Allies shared the blame for starting WWII. Well yes, if defending their allies and themselves is a blameworthy act, then I guess one could see it that way. |
Ha. TUM goes right to WW2. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
I am also completely unmoved. EM is a highly credible source. |
TUM likes the 'shame the source' game. It was a contributing reason why I called him an Israeli apologist on the other thread. I don't like classifying people on these message boards, but after a certain while, it becomes tiresome to deal with those people who like to refute everything someone says under the justification that they may have said something very wrong once. But TUM shouldn't be singled out, everyone on this board does plays this game to some extent. |
Ah so when you question my sources you are just providing some good old-fashioned analysis. But when I do the same its "shame the source" game. That how it works?
Sorry but I can't share the admiration for a Hitler apologist.
Anyway I pointed out a reason why he isn't credible and I notice a complete lack of reasons as to why he is. Just personal attacks...hardly surprised though.
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry but I can't share the admiration for a Hitler apologist. |
Aren't you bored of this? It is so unoriginal and lazy. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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| Sorry but I can't share the admiration for a Hitler apologist. |
Aren't you bored of this? It is so unoriginal and lazy. |
If it's the reason I reject him as a credible source then it's neither as it forms the base for my objections to his portrayal otherwise. |
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The Happy Warrior
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Mosley wrote: |
Margolis is a HIGHLY suspect source.
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No. He's a highly credible source. |
Someone who claims that Operation Barbarossa was a "preventative war" forced on Hitler is not very credible.
As is someone who attempts to somewhat exonerate Hitler, by stating the Allies shared the blame for starting WWII. Well yes, if defending their allies and themselves is a blameworthy act, then I guess one could see it that way. |
Ha. TUM goes right to WW2. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
I am also completely unmoved. EM is a highly credible source. |
TUM likes the 'shame the source' game. It was a contributing reason why I called him an Israeli apologist on the other thread. I don't like classifying people on these message boards, but after a certain while, it becomes tiresome to deal with those people who like to refute everything someone says under the justification that they may have said something very wrong once. But TUM shouldn't be singled out, everyone on this board does plays this game to some extent. |
Ah so when you question my sources you are just providing some good old-fashioned analysis. But when I do the same its "shame the source" game. That how it works?
Sorry but I can't share the admiration for a Hitler apologist.
Anyway I pointed out a reason why he isn't credible and I notice a complete lack of reasons as to why he is. Just personal attacks...hardly surprised though. |
Personal attacks? Ugh, you know what, its not worth it. I have not attacked you personally. If you can get the mods to tell me to stop attacking you personally, I'll admit that I have. But I don't think you really believe I have.
I just disagree that anything you've said on this thread could effectively challenge Margolis' credibility as being an example of a prominent right-wing commentator who has consistently opposed the GWOT. I mean, for chrissakes, nobody is arguing whether he's credible or not! He's just evidence that non-Lefties can oppose authoritarianism.
*sigh* |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| TUM likes the 'shame the source' game. It was a contributing reason why I called him an Israeli apologist on the other thread. I don't like classifying people on these message boards, but after a certain while, it becomes tiresome to deal with those people who like to refute everything someone says under the justification that they may have said something very wrong once. But TUM shouldn't be singled out, everyone on this board does plays this game to some extent. |
"Tiresome" and "apologist" are some of the words that often come to my mind in such a case, as well as" "speaking when one is not spoken to," "always having to have the last word," and the related "not knowing when to shut up." |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| TUM likes the 'shame the source' game. It was a contributing reason why I called him an Israeli apologist on the other thread. I don't like classifying people on these message boards, but after a certain while, it becomes tiresome to deal with those people who like to refute everything someone says under the justification that they may have said something very wrong once. But TUM shouldn't be singled out, everyone on this board does plays this game to some extent. |
"Tiresome" and "apologist" are some of the words that often come to my mind in such a case, as well as" "speaking when one is not spoken to," "always having to have the last word," and the related "not knowing when to shut up." |
I rarely laugh before 7 am but you sir have inspired me to do so this morning. Thank you. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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Margolis is a HIGHLY suspect source.
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No. He's a highly credible source. |
And for the record, as Happy Warrior indicates, I was just citing Margolis as an example of a right-winger who would agree with the OP. I wasn't commenting either way on what he says about those issues(much less his thoughts on the origins of World War II). |
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Leon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| It seems to me that the right have many more domestic extremists than the left in the forms of militias, white power movements, and other things of that nature. Among the extreme right things like ruby ridge and waco are rallying cries, so it's safe to say that many on the right would be against people being labeled domestic extremists. |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| It seems to me that the right have many more domestic extremists than the left in the forms of militias, white power movements, and other things of that nature. |
And the crips, bloods, MS13. All those whites running around the cities shooting the place up. Republican voters, all. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| It seems to me that the right have many more domestic extremists than the left in the forms of militias, white power movements, and other things of that nature. |
And the crips, bloods, MS13. All those whites running around the cities shooting the place up. Republican voters, all. |
Doubt you'd find any of them in the polling booth on election day or any political event for that matter. Not really sure what your point is here. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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| It seems to me that the right have many more domestic extremists than the left in the forms of militias, white power movements, and other things of that nature. |
And the crips, bloods, MS13. All those whites running around the cities shooting the place up. Republican voters, all. |
Are those extremists? Are they political or ideologically motivated. MS13 isn't even domestic. These are gangs, and are irrelevant to the conversation. |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| It seems to me that the right have many more domestic extremists than the left in the forms of militias, white power movements, and other things of that nature. |
And the crips, bloods, MS13. All those whites running around the cities shooting the place up. Republican voters, all. |
Doubt you'd find any of them in the polling booth on election day or any political event for that matter. Not really sure what your point is here. |
My point is that the double standard is obnoxious. If you want to talk about extremists in the United States you have to actually look at extremists. A drive by is a very extreme act. Maybe it doesn't fit the left/right paradigm but that is no excuse. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| It seems to me that the right have many more domestic extremists than the left in the forms of militias, white power movements, and other things of that nature. |
And the crips, bloods, MS13. All those whites running around the cities shooting the place up. Republican voters, all. |
Doubt you'd find any of them in the polling booth on election day or any political event for that matter. Not really sure what your point is here. |
My point is that the double standard is obnoxious. If you want to talk about extremists in the United States you have to actually look at extremists. A drive by is a very extreme act. Maybe it doesn't fit the left/right paradigm but that is no excuse. |
Nope, we aren't talking about the same thing. A drive by is an extreme act, not an act by an extremist. Extremism, at least used in the context of the article, is political, where as what you are talking about is criminal. |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| A drive by is an extreme act, not an act by an extremist. |
Alright? |
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