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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| mises wrote: |
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| A drive by is an extreme act, not an act by an extremist. |
Alright? |
Are you just being difficult? Do you understand that the word extreme means something different than the word extremism? Would you call a bank robber an extremist. Does a gangster hold extreme views? I don't view the desire for money as an extreme view.
ex�treme [ik-streem] Show IPA adjective, -trem�er, -trem�est, noun
�adjective
1.
of a character or kind farthest removed from the ordinary or average: extreme measures.
ex�trem�ism [ik-stree-miz-uhm] Show IPA
�noun
a tendency or disposition to go to extremes or an instance of going to extremes, esp. in political matters: leftist extremism; the extremism of the Nazis.
ex�trem�ist [ik-stree-mist] Show IPA
�noun
1.
a person who goes to extremes, esp. in political matters.
2.
a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines or practices.
All definitions from dictionary.com |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:58 am Post subject: |
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I have to agree with Leon and Bucheon Bum here. The word "extremist" is almost always applied to people advancing some sort of political agenda.
I would call a guy who bombs abortion clinics an extremist. I wouldn't apply the same label to Jeffrey Dahmer, even though Dahmer's criminal actions were certainly on the extreme end of the behavior spectrum. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| Andrew sullivan a conservative has been highly critical of American torture, and rendition and certain police tadtics in terrorist cases. he has and can be called many things but he is credible. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| mises wrote: |
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Margolis is a HIGHLY suspect source.
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No. He's a highly credible source. |
Someone who claims that Operation Barbarossa was a "preventative war" forced on Hitler is not very credible.
As is someone who attempts to somewhat exonerate Hitler, by stating the Allies shared the blame for starting WWII. Well yes, if defending their allies and themselves is a blameworthy act, then I guess one could see it that way. |
Ha. TUM goes right to WW2. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
I am also completely unmoved. EM is a highly credible source. |
TUM likes the 'shame the source' game. It was a contributing reason why I called him an Israeli apologist on the other thread. I don't like classifying people on these message boards, but after a certain while, it becomes tiresome to deal with those people who like to refute everything someone says under the justification that they may have said something very wrong once. But TUM shouldn't be singled out, everyone on this board does plays this game to some extent. |
Ah so when you question my sources you are just providing some good old-fashioned analysis. But when I do the same its "shame the source" game. That how it works?
Sorry but I can't share the admiration for a Hitler apologist.
Anyway I pointed out a reason why he isn't credible and I notice a complete lack of reasons as to why he is. Just personal attacks...hardly surprised though. |
Personal attacks? Ugh, you know what, its not worth it. I have not attacked you personally. If you can get the mods to tell me to stop attacking you personally, I'll admit that I have. But I don't think you really believe I have.
*sigh* |
So when you called me an "Israeli apologist" that was a compliment? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| TUM likes the 'shame the source' game. It was a contributing reason why I called him an Israeli apologist on the other thread. I don't like classifying people on these message boards, but after a certain while, it becomes tiresome to deal with those people who like to refute everything someone says under the justification that they may have said something very wrong once. But TUM shouldn't be singled out, everyone on this board does plays this game to some extent. |
"Tiresome" and "apologist" are some of the words that often come to my mind in such a case, as well as" "speaking when one is not spoken to," "always having to have the last word," and the related "not knowing when to shut up." |
This is why I love Dave's...where else can you see such unconscious hypocrisy? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| TUM likes the 'shame the source' game. It was a contributing reason why I called him an Israeli apologist on the other thread. I don't like classifying people on these message boards, but after a certain while, it becomes tiresome to deal with those people who like to refute everything someone says under the justification that they may have said something very wrong once. But TUM shouldn't be singled out, everyone on this board does plays this game to some extent. |
"Tiresome" and "apologist" are some of the words that often come to my mind in such a case, as well as" "speaking when one is not spoken to," "always having to have the last word," and the related "not knowing when to shut up." |
This is why I love Dave's...where else can you see such unconscious hypocrisy? |
I rest my case. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:35 am Post subject: |
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First, people in the USA and UK were afraid of people in distant countries. Now, they're afraid of their own law abiding citizens. It's only a matter of time before they shriek and cry for mommy anytime they see a baby bunny hopping on the White House lawn or the friendly squirrels running around in Hyde Park.
Good luck Petraeus, leading these people into combat.  |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Hamas-leaning Turkish gov. kills dozens of Kurd civilians but this is what the OP chooses to cry about.... |
The OP lives in the UK, not Turkey. And if you care about those Kurds and the Turkish gov't's actions, why not start a thread about it instead of randomly bringing it up here? |
Quite right, BBum. But you are trying to reason with the irrational. This guy has developed a bit of crush on me you see, and he follows me around everywhere like a love-struck puppy - even developing a passion for his 'uninterest' in football, in order to try get my attention. Awwww. So sweet. But he's just not my type. Sorry. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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You know, folks, one can only imagine the thought process & emotional state of someone who can call me "irrational" and then in the same breath claim(not for the first time, I might add)that I'm "attracted" to the poster. As a heterosexual, red-blooded male how can I possibly be "irrational" if I'm "attracted" to such a vision of lotus blossom type femininity as BB?  
The proof of my "attraction" to the poster? Well, you see, I posted on a thread, on PAGE SEVEN, a topical link and comment without adressing BB, in any way, shape or form. That's her "proof". Lady, you need professional help, and since you live in the(original)land of socialized medicine, you're not getting it. Time, obviously, for the privatization of health care.
Yes, think I the OP's topic is trivial. That doesn't prevent one from posting such an OP-unlike some, like the OP, I'm not into stifling free speech. Some guy who's been to umpteen demos as a fellow traveller gets identified as a-gasp!-fellow traveller. Would you be so similarly outraged if a guy went to two dozen demos in his life to support the KKK but wasn't actually a Klan member...but police noted his participation? I'll wager not.
And great job with the Turkish-Kurds thread you started  You couldn't help yourself could you? Had to put in that Israeli hate on,eh? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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You know, folks, one can only imagine the thought process & emotional state of someone who can call me "irrational" and then in the same breath claim(not for the first time, I might add)that I'm "attracted" to the poster. As a heterosexual, red-blooded male how can I possibly be "irrational" if I'm "attracted" to such a vision of lotus blossom type femininity as BB?
The proof of my "attraction" to the poster? Well, you see, I posted on a thread, on PAGE SEVEN, a topical link and comment without adressing BB, in any way, shape or form. That's her "proof". Lady, you need professional help, and since you live in the(original)land of socialized medicine, you're not getting it. Time, obviously, for the privatization of health care.
Yes, think I the OP's topic is trivial. That doesn't prevent one from posting such an OP-unlike some, like the OP, I'm not into stifling free speech. Some guy who's been to umpteen demos as a fellow traveller gets identified as a-gasp!-fellow traveller. Would you be so similarly outraged if a guy went to two dozen demos in his life to support the KKK but wasn't actually a Klan member...but police noted his participation? I'll wager not.
And great job with the Turkish-Kurds thread you started You couldn't help yourself could you? Had to put in that Israeli hate on,eh? |
The thread was in your honour, and I know that was your accusation - hence the mention of Israel.
Perhaps if you were less obsessed with me, you could stop following me around from thread to thread for a few days, and put that energy into designing your own thread about the Kurds/Turks, and show us all how it should be done. But whereever I go, you seem to want the topic to be about BB, rather than about what's being discussed. This thread is a great example that. Go and read you first post on here again, and you'll see what I mean. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
So when you called me an "Israeli apologist" that was a compliment? |
Apologist isn't an insult, it only means defender. It comes from greek/latin apologia, meaning formal or reasoned defense. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
So when you called me an "Israeli apologist" that was a compliment? |
Apologist isn't an insult, it only means defender. It comes from greek/latin apologia, meaning formal or reasoned defense. |
I think it's commonly understood that, in modern usage, it is generally meant in a derisive fashion, with the implication that the focus of your apologia is unworthy of such defense, and you're in the wrong for defending it. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Koveras wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
So when you called me an "Israeli apologist" that was a compliment? |
Apologist isn't an insult, it only means defender. It comes from greek/latin apologia, meaning formal or reasoned defense. |
I think it's commonly understood that, in modern usage, it is generally meant in a derisive fashion, with the implication that the focus of your apologia is unworthy of such defense, and you're in the wrong for defending it. |
I see your point, but that isn't what the dictionary offers, and I believe this word is not too far gone to save. If people use the word that way they're using it wrong. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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http://presodent.com/ap/Apologist.html
I think it's one of those terms that has evolved, for better or worse(and that's part of the story of English, is it not?), into one which, at the very least, has a derisive/negative connotation-and sometimes a hostile one. I have used it myself in that way the odd time.
Personally, I prefer my old favourites: fellow traveller, dupe, useful idiot(thank you Lenin), groupie(not referring to rock bands), etc., etc.
Let's get back on topic to discuss that 85 yr. old fellow traveller, shall we?  |
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