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[Koveras]

To be honest, the only thing more tedious than Edmund Burke is what Edmund Burke would do if he were around today. Don't take this personally; I've prattled on about Burke a few times too. You have to see someone else do it to realize how tedious it is.

[The Happy Warrior]

[Mosley]

Burke "tedious"? Eye of the beholder I guess. Personally, I think he's a great thinker & writer but what the hell do I know?(Mosley waits eagerly for quotation to be taken out of context by those with an "infantile disorder". Ooops. Couldn't resist. Terms like that were a favourite of the Soviet regime to stifle dissent & keep up the search for "enemies of the people", like "rootless cosmopolitans".)

One LAST challenge to bacasper: justify your choice of citing the Ramsey Clark site.

[bacasper]

[Leon]

[Mosley]

bacasper=I rest my case...(go ahead, folks...look at his link....)

Good night, Irene....

[bacasper]

Mosley, I can't say I am surprised that you haven't responded.
Maybe Irene can read your mind, but as for the rest of us...we read only good books.


But seriously, you are aware that Ramsey Clark was Attorney General, aren't you?

[bacasper]

Gaza Flotilla: Global Citizens Must Respond Where Governments Have Failed

The Flotilla was an ambitious attempt to break the siege imposed by Israel on the 1.5 million Palestinians of the occupied Gaza strip, since 2007. Carrying distinguished parliamentarians, religious leaders, authors, journalists, a Nobel Peace Laureate, and a Holocaust survivor, the relief convoy aimed not only to provide relief supplies to Gaza; it sought to direct the international spotlight towards the humanitarian crisis imposed on Gaza's residents and the imperative to end it. There is no denying that the latter objective has succeeded, albeit with tragic consequences.

The Israeli attack on the unarmed aid convoy in international waters was "[a clear] violation of international humanitarian law, international law of the seas, and [by most interpretations] international criminal law," to use the words of Richard Falk, Professor of International Law and UN Special Rapporteur on Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. It is a sad reality that world governments have for too long become either complicit or apathetic to Israel's crimes and fostered its culture of impunity, under a shield of unquestionable backing by the US. Its initial condemnation notwithstanding, the US government has pressured the UN Security Council members, again, to adopt ambiguous language which relieves Israel of responsibility and creates parity between aggressor and victim.
...
By flagrantly attacking the aid ship, Israel has inadvertently brought unprecedented awareness and condemnation not only of its fatal siege of Gaza but also of the wider context of Israel's occupation practices in the Palestinian Territories, its denial of Palestinian refugee rights, and its apartheid policies against the indigenous, "non-Jewish" citizens of Israel.

The Freedom Flotilla brings to mind the kind of civil society solidarity initiatives which brought an end to segregation laws in the US and apartheid in South Africa, an analogy impossible to ignore. Like the apartheid regime of South Africa, Israel's reaction has been to label this non-violent act an "intentional provocation." As in the case of South Africa, the call for international solidarity, in the form of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) came from an overwhelming majority of Palestinian civil society unions and organizations in 2005, and is being embraced by citizens of conscience and social movements worldwide. The BDS initiative calls for effectively isolating Israel, its complicit business, academic and cultural institutions, as well as companies profiting from its human rights violations and illegal policies, as long as these policies continue.

full article at link

[Mosley]

Thanks for the heads up on Ramsey Clark as AG...I had no idea!

Sunshine, I remember the Johnson Administration. And I had no idea you supported American involvement in Vietnam! Good on ya! (Clark was chosen by LBJ. Clark accepted. Clark therefore supported the president on his Vietnam War policies. Clark is chosen as a "credible" source by bacasper. Therefore bacasper supports the LBJ Admin.'s policies in Vietnam! )

Of course, being the good socialist, bacasper will take the ''egalitarian'' route and claim that since Clark had a high-ranking gov. post, he must be morally & intellectually "superior". Let's test that cheery claim, shall we?

Ramsey Clark has a despicable record of defending Nazi war criminals(albeit relatively low-ranking ones), Communist war criminals(including a high-ranking one)and Islamo-terrorists. He was instrumental in founding International ANSWER, a despicable anti-Semitic & neo-Stalinist organization.

I suppose, following bacasper's "arguement", one could assert that Julius Streicher's "Der Sturmer" could be used as a "credible" source, because, after all, Streicher had a top gov. post(Governor of Franconia)!

Have you no shame? I would be just as ashamed to cite Der Sturmer as Clark's site-but you ARE free of such moral constraints, aren't you?

Or maybe one could cite the great millionaire lawyer leftist icon Louis Brandeis. After all, he was on the US Supreme Court for over 20 yrs. He must've been "correct" in pursuing policies that bacasper would've loved, i.e., curtailing consumer choice & free enterprise, and his support of Bell over Buck in the Buck v. Bell case, which inspired certain medical policies of a certain central European state in the mid-20th C.

Then again, the pro-Zionist Brandeis would've broken your heart, after all that...no?

[Koveras]

[bacasper]

[TheUrbanMyth]

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[bacasper]

^ $1,000 that nothing in the US relationship with Israel will change as a result. It seems I've already won.

Nice try at spinning the original intent, though.

[mises]

[El Exigente]