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cj1976
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| I'm not convinced the Premiership is the best league in the world. There is a huge gulf between the top teams and the rest. I wonder how the EPL mid-table teams would fare against their Spanish counterparts? Watching Spanish teams play is a delight to my eyes. They possess real skill and guile that is frankly missing in most English teams. I don't find the EPL exciting most of the time. When I watch Match of The Day, I usually have to skip the games between the lower ranked teams because it is so boring. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| One point that has been mentioned repeatedly in the post analysis is that the EPL does not carry over well into international tournament play. Most other leagues do a better job. Certainly not doubting the entertainment quality of the league though. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Before this, I was arguing that it wasn't so much lack of ability as lack of spirit. Now it seems everyone agrees it's both. How depressing. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| I'm not convinced the Premiership is the best league in the world. |
That's why the Champions league is there, obviously. English teams have been known to do well in it. |
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rusty1983
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| I'm not convinced the Premiership is the best league in the world. There is a huge gulf between the top teams and the rest. I wonder how the EPL mid-table teams would fare against their Spanish counterparts? Watching Spanish teams play is a delight to my eyes. They possess real skill and guile that is frankly missing in most English teams. I don't find the EPL exciting most of the time. When I watch Match of The Day, I usually have to skip the games between the lower ranked teams because it is so boring. |
I see what you are saying here but if you look at the other leagues in Europe the Premiership is actually more competitive. Apart from Valencia who won the league twice under Rafa Benitez I bet it's twenty years or so since a team other than Barca or Madrid won it or even finished second, and it'll be another ten before this happens. Whereas in England - although it's mainly Man United and Chelsea recently, Arsenal are always psuhing, Liverpool came within a whisker of winning it two seasons ago and Man City are looking likely to be contenders.
Last season especially was really exciting and played at a high quality. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| I'm not convinced the Premiership is the best league in the world. |
That's why the Champions league is there, obviously. English teams have been known to do well in it. |
But Serie A has done better. Surely that makes Italy the home of the Europe's greatest football...rather than England?
Strange then that both Italy and England exited the WC with poor performances.
Might the copa do brasil actually be the best league? |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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This is an unpopular idea, but the world cup is way too small a sample size to decide the best league. (i don't really believe there is a best league anyway..normally all top 3 are similar)
I would expect the Spanish and Italian league to be well represented however just because these leagues import a large number of South Americans traditionally. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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IMO, the 3-4 genuinely good players in the England team underperformed. The rest I don't think are world-class talent.
England are just going through a barren patch for producing world-class players. John Terry? He's a donkey. The Germans went around him like he wasn't there.
Especially goalies..........They really need another great goalkeeper like Clemence, Shilton, Seaman......I'm a Liverpool fan but I still don't think David James cuts the mustard......as for Green... 
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-06-18-the-trouble-with-english-goalkeepers |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| There don't seem to be any native goalies in the premier league. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Either England were piss poor or Germany suprised them by showing them how well they can play good football.
Not to take anything away from the Germans but I'm going to go with piss poor.
It was embarassing watching the Germans run circles around the England team. |
The German have a really dangerous team this year. They are playing the total football that Holland are famous for. They have a great chance of being the cup winners this year too.
Not only that, they are much younger than the England team. The average age of the German team was 4 years younger than the dinosaur England team - and it really showed.
On top of this, the Germans have a national strategy and limit the amount of foreign players they have in their team, so that they nurture their own talent. They pay more attention to coaching and training the upcoming generation. England does no such thing, and has no national strategy for their football nurseries. The English worship the Free Market. Laissez Faire. All that bollocks. And that's why they don't produce world beating teams. |
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Privateer
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| ^ Another strike against the so-called 'free market'! |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:12 am Post subject: |
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This is what the Germans did this last decade:
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Niersbach says that after his country's early exit from Euro 2000 "the German FA has invested an annual �20m [�16.5m] earmarked for talent promotion in the widest sense of the word. At grassroots level, a nationwide network of 366 training centres has been set up, mostly using the infrastructure of local clubs with above-average facilities, where 14,000 youngsters aged 11-14 receive extra tuition by way of a weekly two-hour training session imparted by a DFB-appointed coach. This is in addition to the training they do with their respective clubs. It is more than likely that some of them will feature in the German national team eight years from now.
"Further up the line there are 46 club academies. Twenty-nine German further-education schools have been designated Elite Football Schools. Students receive a perfectly normal education, up to the Abitur granting university access, but also benefit from plenty of football as part of the curriculum.
"Finally we have made sure that all the DFB's junior national teams, from U15 onwards, benefit from basically the same level of support, the backroom staff including a sports psychologist, a physical fitness coach, as well as first-rate doctors and physios. An extensive database has been set up, allowing our coaches to access information � medical data, physical test results, performance analyses, personal characteristics � for every player. Obviously, the underlying purpose of all of this is that no player with good potential shall be allowed to slip through the net."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/jul/02/world-cup-2010-germany-flair
Meanwhile England just paid foreigners to play their football for them. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| ^ Another strike against the so-called 'free market'! |
The market was a lot less free prior to 1996 and Chavland failed to qualify for the 1974, 1978 and 1994 world cups. What was that a strike against? Quite clearly, English footballers are just rubbish and have always been rubbish.
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| Meanwhile England just paid foreigners to play their football for them |
You are aware that the Germany side contains players from Poland, Turkey, Bosnia, Brazil and Ghana, right? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
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| Meanwhile England just paid foreigners to play their football for them |
You are aware that the Germany side contains players from Poland, Turkey, Bosnia, Brazil and Ghana, right? |
Yes, but Germany has a cap. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Big Bird wrote: |
| Meanwhile England just paid foreigners to play their football for them |
You are aware that the Germany side contains players from Poland, Turkey, Bosnia, Brazil and Ghana, right? |
...and Rome's best gladiators were imported from their foreign conquests.
Seems to be the nature of a leading nation to lose its hunger and lapse into mediocrity, before employing the raw skills of the disadvantaged countries.
English clubs have the best players and Champions league is probably the worlds best, but all the best talent is made and grown in the 3rd world. |
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