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Konglishman
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 Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:27 am Post subject: Uruguay won by cheating... |
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Earlier this morning, I woke up in front of the TV and started watching the Ghana versus Uruguay worldcup game. What happened was not right. Ghana would have scored the winning goal if Suarez had not illegally blocked the ball with his hands.
I am not black or African just in case some of you thought so due to the topic. No, I am for fairness. And in my opinion, losing a game as well as not being able to continue in the worldcup games in part because a player on the other team cheated, in my opinion, is just wrong.
Anyways, here is an excerpt of what happened below.
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| With the score even at 1-1 and the shootout looking inevitable, the lovable, last African team standing forced one last assault on the exhausted Uruguayans in the final minutes of extra time. What came next was a surreal, yet nerve-shredding game of pinball as Ghana tried to pound the ball into the goal from point-blank range. The Uruguayans somehow just kept fighting Ghana off. Finally, just as it seemed Ghana had produced one too many shots for Uruguay to stop, Suarez put up his hands and slapped the ball away as natural as if he were a volleyball player. |
http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Luis-Suarez-handball-proves-oddly-heroic-?urn=sow,253285 |
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the ireland
Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:39 am Post subject: |
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he did cheat to stop the ball going in, but he also paid the price. A sending off and a penatly are the result of a deliberate handball from a goal scoring opportunity.
Considering 8/9 times out of 10 the penalty taker scores from the spot it's often stupid to handle the ball and get sent off, but with only seconds to go in a game to help you reach the world cup semi-final and it's 1-1, he did what he had to do to get his team to the semis.
Sure it's wrong and I don't condone it but he did what he had to do. He will suffer for doing it. He will def be suspended for the semis and because it was an automatic straight red card he could possibly miss the final if they get there or else the play off for 3rd / 4th!
If he played for my country I would be hapy with him but if he played against mine I would be gutted! |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:44 am Post subject: |
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He did what he had to do and sacrificed himself for the team. Good for him.
Lots of teams have won by cheating over the years and every team does. I'm quite alright with it generally. It's just like real life  |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:15 am Post subject: Re: Uruguay won by cheating... |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
Earlier this morning, I woke up in front of the TV and started watching the Ghana versus Uruguay worldcup game. What happened was not right. Ghana would have scored the winning goal if Suarez had not illegally blocked the ball with his hands.
I am not black or African just in case some of you thought so due to the topic. No, I am for fairness. And in my opinion, losing a game as well as not being able to continue in the worldcup games in part because a player on the other team cheated, in my opinion, is just wrong. |
I totally agree. Uruguay won by cheating, theres not much more you can say about it. I was disgusted.
The referee should've awarded a goal.
The ball was going straight into the net until suarez handed it away. A penalty is not really adequate compensation because you still have to beat the goalkeeper.
Suarez has shown his poor character in this WC with several such incidents. Against SA he put on a show of diving at the slightest touch and the referree rewarded it all too.
its not really enjoyable to see them constantly play with such cynicism and illegalities. One reason I'm all for new referreeing technology.
Bunch of south american gangsters in the tradition of "hand of God" maradona.
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| I actually agree with the last 2 posters, but I was utterly dismayed when it happened. I really wanted to see Ghana go through. |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:17 am Post subject: |
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Totally agree.
And just another example of the archaic and "gentleman's club" type of atmosphere that pervades the archaic game of football.
The referee actually DOES have the ability to declare it a goal. But tradition, that stupid word that actually means supporting unfairness, is adhered to. Damn tradition. The guy blatantly 100% cheated and the ball would have 100% gone in the net. A no brainer. Award a goal and give a red card. The ball goes to the center field spot.
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
Lots of teams have won by cheating over the years |
true, but that doesn't make it right..
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| and every team does. |
I wouldn't go that far.
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| I'm quite alright with it generally. It's just like real life |
I get your point that sport can be unfair, like life...but, surely it should aim a little higher than being a celebration of cheating and injustice. |
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Horangi Munshin
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
Totally agree.
And just another example of the archaic and "gentleman's club" type of atmosphere that pervades the archaic game of football.
The referee actually DOES have the ability to declare it a goal. But tradition, that stupid word that actually means supporting unfairness, is adhered to. Damn tradition. The guy blatantly 100% cheated and the ball would have 100% gone in the net. A no brainer. Award a goal and give a red card. The ball goes to the center field spot.
DD
http://eflclassroom.com |
Yeah that's exactly what I wanted. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
Lots of teams have won by cheating over the years |
true, but that doesn't make it right..
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| and every team does. |
I wouldn't go that far.
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| I'm quite alright with it generally. It's just like real life |
I get your point that sport can be unfair, like life...but, surely it should aim a little higher than being a celebration of cheating and injustice. |
I really think that any player in the world would have done the same thing. In fact this exact same incident happens all the time in games at every level. In sunday leagues, pub leagues and premier leagues.
To me football is a metaphor for life in a way. Yes, I know that makes me a *beep*. |
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nautilus
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
To me football is a metaphor for life in a way.
Yes, I know that makes me a *beep*. |
Until it happens to you. Then suddenly you become a whining victim.  |
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Murakano
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Ghana v Australia
Harry Kewell handles the ball on the goal line. Penalty - Gyan scores.
Ghana v Uruguay
Luis Suarez handles the ball on the goal line. Penalty - Gyan misses.
Suarez took his punishment. He committed a crime and got punished. Ghana unfortunately did not take advantage. But they took advantage against Australia.
Had this happened in the first half, or even with 20 minutes left, the impact of the punishment would have been greater, but, unfortunately for Ghana, it wasn't.Whining about what Suarez did is ludicrous. He took one for his team; he's out of the semis and possibly more.
If it wasn't for "the hopes of the whole continent" drama, nobody would've complained. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: |
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FIFA is thinking of banning Saurez for the rest of the tournament.
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| Su�rez is being hailed as a hero in his home country but the incident has provoked condemnation in other parts of the world. His action is also contrary to Fifa's fair play code which states: "Winning is without value if victory has been achieved unfairly or dishonestly. Cheating is easy, but brings no pleasure." |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/03/fifa-may-extend-luis-suarez-ban
I can't really blame him though. It was in the heat of the moment, and would have been a primal instinct to stop a goal against your team. I do agree with him being punished however. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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One of my facebook friends posted this:
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| Analysis from The Guardian: "...grudging respect to the cheating little sods. It takes a real streak of evil to win like this." |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
To me football is a metaphor for life in a way.
Yes, I know that makes me a *beep*. |
Until it happens to you. Then suddenly you become a whining victim. |
This is true but isn't that life as well. We bitch at the guy who cuts us off, but when we are in a hurry then we are perfectly justified in cutting off some other guy. |
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ABC KID
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| The referee actually DOES have the ability to declare it a goal. |
Since when? Find any evidence that proves that point. That statement is nonsense. I am not attacking you personally but sorry you are just wrong this time... The referee can only correctly award a goal if the ball crosses the line.
I actually support the Uruguayan defender. I agree with the posters in this thread that stated it was instinctive and he did what he had to do. Also as another poster pointed out, the penalty would have been converted into a goal at least eight times out of ten.
I will openly admit that had it happened to England I would have been gutted but that does not mean it was wrong. He was punished within the laws of the game and Ghana missed their chance.
In any case the worst act of this World Cup so far was not that handball but rather the IVORY COAST defender that deliberately ran into Kaka in the group stages to get him sent off. That was an absolutely despicable act of cheating...
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