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bacasper

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:07 am Post subject: Korean child molesters face chemical castration |
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2MB should not sign this bill. Only a minority voted for it, and only one of the recent cases was committed by a repreat offender. Anyway, is it even ethical for a doctor to administer "medical treatment" as a punishment?
Korean child molesters face chemical castration
# The Times
# July 01, 2010 12:00AM
SOUTH Korea is poised to become the first Asian country to use chemical castration on child-sex offenders.
Such is the level of disgust at a series of rapes that a bill prescribing the hormonal neutralisation of testosterone in "sexual deviants" aged 19 or over was passed by 137 votes to 13. President Lee Myung-bak is expected to sign it into law when he returns from abroad.
The original version of the bill was introduced two years ago after a 58-year-old man attacked an eight-year-old girl. However, many were concerned by the science behind the treatment, and pressure to pass it waned until a renewed spate of attacks this year.
Last week, a 44-year-old repeat sex offender was charged with kidnapping a girl, 8, and raping her, and an investigation began at the weekend into the case of a Vietnamese girl snatched from a street during the day and raped.
The punishment, if ordered, will be described in court as "medical treatment".
Violent sexual assaults on kids sparks bill; unclear if president will sign
by SANGWON YOON Associated Press Writer
updated 6/29/2010 1:06:31 PM
SEOUL, South Korea � South Korea's parliament voted Tuesday to legalize chemical castration as punishment for convicted child sex offenders after a series of violent assaults sparked outrage nationwide.
The bill was first introduced in 2008 in response to a high-profile case in which a 58-year-old man raped and assaulted an 8-year-old girl. The attack caused widespread revulsion and left the victim with lasting physical injuries.
Government policies, including the installation of more security personnel near school grounds as well as multiple surveillance cameras, have not prevented a series of similar cases.
A 33-year-old man who raped and murdered a 13-year-old girl in February was sentenced to death last week. In another high-profile case, a 45-year-old man allegedly kidnapped a student from her elementary school and raped her in the basement of a church.
South Korean legislators at the National Assembly passed the bill by a vote of 137-13. More than 140 lawmakers either did not make a choice or did not vote. The legislation would take effect a year after being signed into law.
The legislation, which requires the South Korean president's signature to become law, would allow judges to sentence adult sex offenders who victimize minors under 16 and have been diagnosed as sexual deviants to chemical castration.
It was unclear if President Lee Myung-bak would sign it. He is on a visit to Latin America and his office would not comment. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Seems humane. What they did was horrendous and they deserve this at least. |
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CentralCali
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, what they did was horrendous. However, castration--either physical or chemical--is not medically ethical. The greater issue, though, for "chemical castration," is whether it'll work. First, the offender must appear as scheduled to ingest the chemicals. All he has to do, then, is to run away. And what to do with violent sexual criminals who are female?
No, this bill is just pandering. What the offenders deserve is incarceration. |
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rollo
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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I would argue that medical ethics only apply to the ethical. Offenses like this should mean that you lose certain rights. But you are correct that the chemicals might not work. I also think that incareration should go along with the castration. This is not all related to a sex drive, there is a predispositon to violence in these offenders. Society has a responsibility to protect children. |
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CentralCali
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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rollo wrote: |
I would argue that medical ethics only apply to the ethical. |
Then your argument is that you have no ethics.
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Offenses like this should mean that you lose certain rights. |
Of course. What do you think incarceration means?
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But you are correct that the chemicals might not work. I also think that incareration should go along with the castration. This is not all related to a sex drive, there is a predispositon to violence in these offenders. Society has a responsibility to protect children. |
If it's not related to sex drive, what's the rationale to castrate the man? And, again, how do you plan to castrate a female offender? |
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Fox

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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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rollo wrote: |
I would argue that medical ethics only apply to the ethical. Offenses like this should mean that you lose certain rights. But you are correct that the chemicals might not work. I also think that incareration should go along with the castration. |
If you're going to incarcerate them anyway, why on Earth would you chemically castrate them as well? Just to torture them?
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This is not all related to a sex drive, there is a predispositon to violence in these offenders. Society has a responsibility to protect children. |
If it's not all related to a sex drive, then there's no reason to chemically castrate them. |
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CentralCali
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Fox wrote: |
If you're going to incarcerate them anyway, why on Earth would you chemically castrate them as well? Just to torture them? |
Of course. |
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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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"Seems humane. What they did was horrendous and they deserve this at least."
Not humane. Yes, what they did was horrendous. Put them where they can't do it again.
Sometimes we forget that humans are just another class of animal slllooowwyyyy evolving. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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There's lots of evidence that castration doesn't always work for these sorts of offenders. If they can't penetrate their victims on their own, they tend to use whatever's at hand. The problem is in the offender's brains, not their balls. |
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CentralCali
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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And "chemical castration" will never work if the offender doesn't take the drug. Look at the problems with monitoring released offenders now. Do you really think Korea's going to have a handle on that if this law is passed? |
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recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010 Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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maybe the k's are thinking ahead. Perhaps castration can minimize the number of dumb-enough-to-be caught-rapist genes in the future. |
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riverboy
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Canada has the dangerous offenders act. I think this is something many countries might woant to consider. My major concern is these guys getting a second chance, which is often the case.
Child rapists, have no right to walk the streets again. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Compare the OPs with how the Korea Times spins their hysteria-mongering:
06-30-2010 17:43 여성 음성 듣기 남성 음성 듣기
Chemical castration
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Real solution needs involvement of entire society
Cho Doo-soon, Kim Kil-tae and Kim Soo-cheol: These are the names related to the most notorious child rape and/or murder cases in recent years. Countless more potential sex predators like them are stalking our neighborhoods virtually undeterred ― and undetected ― seeking to prey upon the most helpless members of this society. |
Yes, "countless" numbers are lurking around every corner to rape and kill your child the minute you turn your back.
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So the National Assembly's passage Tuesday of a bill on preventing and treating habitual child molesters is more than welcome. |
By whom?
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Above all, the popular term itself is a misnomer, as it is completely different from surgical castration and is just a temporary curb of sexual desires through hormone-restraining injections. When the effect of the injection wears off, the patients can resume their normal physical functions. |
This completely ignores all the adverse effects, including hypertension, stroke, testicular atrophy, etc.
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The treatment also fits the nature of pedophilia, one of the most repetitive and impulsive pathological symptoms. |
Apparently this writer believes they hype of his own newspaper and others which repeatedly greatly exaggerate recidivism rates for child sex offenders, among the lowest of all offenders.
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Experiences in countries like Sweden and Denmark show chemical castration has reduced the rate of recidivism from 40 percent to 5 percent. |
Where is this "data"?
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A more fundamental solution should be found through the involvement of the entire society. One of the most urgent tasks is to establish a victim's support facility, like the National Center for Victims of Crime (NCVC) in the United States. This is especially important, as this society is rather negligent on the treatment of victims amid one-sided focus on the offenses and their prevention and punishment. |
Sorry to see Korea still looks to follow the US' down the path of victimology and witchhunting.
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Equally necessary is the activation of joint government and civilian efforts to care for abandoned children. Considering most of the offenders themselves are the victims of unfortunate childhoods, the government needs to run regional centers to take care of children of low-income families left at home alone while their parents are at work.
After all, this society has produced offenders and victims, and it is right it should take responsibility for both. |
While I agree with the sentiment of caring for both victims and offenders, I am not sure that "most of the offenders themselves are the victims of unfortunate childhoods," especially in the case of statutory offenders.
And that is the problem with this legislation. It will not be applied merely to repeat offenders. In fact, from the two OPs it appears it will be applied to even first-time offenders. This leads to the situation in which guys are branded as sex predators for being involved with their underage girlfriends, so many injustices of which have already been documented in places like the US. |
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The Happy Warrior
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Forget for a moment whether the rapist deserves castration.
Are we really willing to hand over such powers to the state? Are we so sure it'll be used within the proper procedures? That it won't disproportionately impact the lesser in society? That the state won't judge the innocent guilty?
After I ask myself these questions, I'm opposed to the law before I can even evaluate whether it would be just. |
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CentralCali
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Here's an odd thought. Let's say this law goes into effect. Then let's say that you're a decent sort, not breaking any laws at all, and you're a foreigner teaching English at a hagweon. Your boss decides the best way to get out of paying you what he owes is to declare you've done something untoward with the female students. Bam! All of a sudden, you're a molester. And then Korea tries you, confines you, castrates you, and deports you, in that order.
Good system, huh? No, I'm with The Happy Warrior on this. That is far too much power for the government to wield. But, hey, if the current ROK parliament wants to act just like the Japanese colonial government, I guess it's their choice. |
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