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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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Bam! All of a sudden, you're a molester. And then Korea tries you, confines you, castrates you, and deports you, in that order.
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That's a pretty extreme scenario. As long as they chemically castrate me and not physically do it, then I could probably get over it.
My solution for child rapists is simple. Life in prison, with no chance of parole and in general population.
Here's an interesting study regarding recidivism.
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Studies show treatment to stop Child Molesters and Rapists is not working, initially yes, but as time passes, those sexual urges come back, resulting in reoffending with no looking back. The Pro and Cons who treat and cure versus those who wish to permanently incarcerate seem try to disprove each other's theories and studies.
Is there cure? Mental Health experts thinks so! Communities and victim's advocates think not!
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http://www.nowpublic.com/press/graph-showing-deviants-likely-reoffend |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like an increasing domestic crime situation going on in a changing culture kind of situation. In principal this brutal law is good, but it's when someone innocent is put down. Uh, I mean their manhood is put down and they become a eunuch with the worst black mark a man can carry. I know they are talking about sexual assaults and rape as the precedence to enact this new law, but later on it could back fire. This is a dicey one that shouldn't be an issue as it's human nature to hug each other when you've forged relationships, but could be an issue should someone be bigoted enough to interpret the law differently than intended just to get rid of someone they personally don't life for whatever reasons be. This is absolutely nothing sexual and is common between kids and adults alike. It's a conundrum. Should you avoid physical contact out of fear and make them think you don't like them out of insecurity or should you give them a big old hug and encourage positive influence on them?
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| In principal this brutal law is good ... |
I don't think a brutal law is good in principle, even if it were to somehow only affect the genuinely guilty. This simply isn't something the government should be doing; it will not reduce genuine criminal activity, and as such, is pure humiliating torture.
If an individual can't be trusted around children, then they should not be released from jail, chemical castration or no. If they can be trusted, then this kind of behavior is unwarranted. This is 100% unnecessary, and would be done purely to torment people. That's not a characteristic of genuine justice. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| In principal this brutal law is good ... |
I don't think a brutal law is good in principle, even if it were to somehow only affect the genuinely guilty. This simply isn't something the government should be doing; it will not reduce genuine criminal activity, and as such, is pure humiliating torture.
If an individual can't be trusted around children, then they should not be released from jail, chemical castration or no. If they can be trusted, then this kind of behavior is unwarranted. This is 100% unnecessary, and would be done purely to torment people. That's not a characteristic of genuine justice. |
That's why it will be used as a weapon against innocent individual someone doesn't like for whatever reasons be. There needs to be solid evidence to arrest, charge, and try a suspect. Not just hearsay, rumors, bogus testimonies, and lies. I've seen this old story play out in America already. Seems that Korea is about 25 years behind the times not to insult them. A real living variation of the 1980's as we remember them. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Bam! All of a sudden, you're a molester. And then Korea tries you, confines you, castrates you, and deports you, in that order.
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That's a pretty extreme scenario. As long as they chemically castrate me and not physically do it, then I could probably get over it. |
Yes, it is extreme. But so is this suggested law. By the way, how would you plan to "get over" the long-term effects of the drugs?
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| My solution for child rapists is simple. Life in prison, with no chance of parole and in general population. |
Why in general population? |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:39 am Post subject: |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Yes, it is extreme. But so is this suggested law. By the way, how would you plan to "get over" the long-term effects of the drugs?
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Well, I never said I agree with the law. And, I am quite certain that this will never happen to me. If it does then I will probabaly consider it more seriously.
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Well... I guess growing up in a relatively rough community, with a lot of buddies having done time, and knowing several vicitms of pedophiles.....you tend to appreciate the raw nature of prison justice.
I prefer the spirit of the federal law of Canada, but a side of me wants to see pedophiles suffer. I've said it before, they bring out the worst in me. I'm not saying it's right, but it certainly would not bother me to know that an inmate did over a child molester in the pen.
I never had a problem with what happened to Jeff Dalmer. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:43 am Post subject: |
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This is a big deal right now in Korean public broadcasting reporting and discussing sexual assaults, looking at women, and physical contacts of any sort. I spoke with a Korean friend and he says it's concerning Korean men as already it was illegal to just look at adult women where police can call on you if a complaint is lodged. And now this new scrutiny is in play in the wide open. They are treating it as if it's a new thing that a few men are sexual predators, but it was largely ignored or wasn't a concern just as it was until the 1970's in the states. He said women view men as uneducated animals so all men are now under suspicious woman eyes as women gain more power. He said men do not consider older women to be women, but neutral gender. Strange new one for me. I said, "talk about the 1970's and 80's revisited." There is a real gender conflict here and this law is a dangerous double edge sword even though it's originally intended to protect women and children. He said to never hug kids, don't do high five, and don't look at any kind of girls or women in public places and at work. Remember a post about 2 weeks ago a police officer meeting foreign teachers in Daegu who specifically said not to give hugs?
Seems funny that only now a very old problem is being addressed now that elections are over and the threat of war has seemingly disappeared over night as soon as elections finished.
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Yes, it is extreme. But so is this suggested law. By the way, how would you plan to "get over" the long-term effects of the drugs?
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Well, I never said I agree with the law. And, I am quite certain that this will never happen to me. If it does then I will probabaly consider it more seriously. |
A quote about "then they came for me" come to mind.
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| Why in general population? |
Well... I guess growing up in a relatively rough community, with a lot of buddies having done time, and knowing several vicitms of pedophiles.....you tend to appreciate the raw nature of prison justice.
I prefer the spirit of the federal law of Canada, but a side of me wants to see pedophiles suffer. I've said it before, they bring out the worst in me. I'm not saying it's right, but it certainly would not bother me to know that an inmate did over a child molester in the pen.
I never had a problem with what happened to Jeff Dalmer. |
The idea is that civilized people are supposed to be better than the scum they incarcerate. And the sentence of the court is the punishment exacted, not what some other criminal decides to do.
But let's follow your "acceptable solution" to its logical conclusion. What are you going to do to the violent prisoner who killed the molestor? What are you going to do if it's proven later that the now deceased molestor actually molested nobody? What if the prisoner who exacted "prison justice" had been in prison for killing a child or molesting a child? |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| And, I am quite certain that this will never happen to me. If it does then I will probabaly consider it more seriously. |
This attitude makes you an active detriment to democratic society. A willingness to shrug off -- or even support -- injustices so long as they don't personally affect you is not reconcilable with majority mandate governance.
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| ... but a side of me wants to see pedophiles suffer. |
This on the other hand is just depressing. Unfortunately, it's also a quite common way of thinking.
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| Remember a post about 2 weeks ago a police officer meeting foreign teachers in Daegu who specifically said not to give hugs? |
Seriously? I just gave a first grader a hug today after she cried in class. If I were to be accused of being a pedophile for trying to comfort a crying child, I don't even know what I'd do. I'm a very rational person, but society responding to a gesture of compassion with persecution just might make me lose it.
The last thing Korea needs is to follow the West's dysfunctional example here. Can't we ever just have a reasonable reaction? Does it always have to be retarded, overboard campaigns of persecution and witch hunting? |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: |
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The idea is that civilized people are supposed to be better than the scum they incarcerate. And the sentence of the court is the punishment exacted, not what some other criminal decides to do.
But let's follow your "acceptable solution" to its logical conclusion. What are you going to do to the violent prisoner who killed the molestor? What are you going to do if it's proven later that the now deceased molestor actually molested nobody? What if the prisoner who exacted "prison justice" had been in prison for killing a child or molesting a child? |
I'm not saying it's right; just a certain code I've been far too familiar with. As I said, the spirit of the law is just and as you said "civilized" which I agree with.
As for the violent prisoner, chances are he's doing life and will continue to serve his sentence, or he gets an extra twenty years. Should the offender prove to be innocent, then it would be a sad day indeed. Should he be innocent, then well, that's what they do to those fellas in prison. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not saying it's right; just a certain code I've been far too familiar with. As I said, the spirit of the law is just and as you said "civilized" which I agree with. |
Actually, you are saying that in your view it's right. You specifically recommended "general population."
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| As for the violent prisoner, chances are he's doing life and will continue to serve his sentence, or he gets an extra twenty years. |
Why should he get more time for doing what you want him to do, carrying out what you think is justice? Remember that you specifically recommended putting the molestor in general population and that recommendation was for a specific reason: so that other prisoners would harm the molestor.
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| Should the offender prove to be innocent, then it would be a sad day indeed. Should he be innocent, then well, that's what they do to those fellas in prison. |
By "those fellas," you mean "innocent people who are convicted of a crime and later exonerated," right?
I notice you didn't bother to mention what your plan is for rewarding the molestor who kills another molestor.
By the way, what exactly do you mean that you are far too familiar with prison violence? |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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By "those fellas," you mean "innocent people who are convicted of a crime and later exonerated," right?
I notice you didn't bother to mention what your plan is for rewarding the molestor who kills another molestor.
By the way, what exactly do you mean that you are far too familiar with prison violence |
I guess my point is simply this, I have little to no sympathy for what fate child molestors are dealt with in prison. Now the innocent man who is wrongly convicted is a tragedy, and I hope it never happens, one thing I advocate is a similar prison sententence for people who falsely accuse others for such a crime.
As far as me being familiar with prison violence, I used to work with quite few cos and ex-cons. Say what you will about most of them, but hey generally have thier own code that they live by. Which in many ways I don not agree with, but I respect.
I am very well be wrong about my feelings regarding this subject, but I've known a fair bit of peopple who were molested and I know of situations where people molested dozens of individuals and got away with it because the community was to scared to admit what ws actually happening.
My question to you is; Did you feel any sumpathy for Jeffry Dahmer when you heard he ws killed in prison? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, yeah. I get it. You have respect for murder. I, on the other hand, do not. I have respect for the rule of law.
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| My question to you is; Did you feel any sumpathy for Jeffry Dahmer when you heard he ws killed in prison? |
As the man was not sentenced to be executed, yes, I do have sympathy for the man. I also agree with the District Attorney:
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| The District Attorney who prosecuted Dahmer cautioned against turning Scarver into a folk hero, noting that Dahmer's death was still murder. |
Just because I have sympathy for the victim of a murder, any victim of murder, does not mean I admire the person's acts that led him to prison or that I admire the victim. I simply do not believe murder is justice. But that's quite the dilemma you have going on here: your hero, Scarver, happened to be in prison because he murdered someone. |
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