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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: How stupid is Michael Steele? |
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Okay, maybe the war in Aghanistan is unwinnable, but since when has this been the offical position of the Republican party? And THIS quote just takes the freaking cake...
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WASHINGTON � Republican chairman Michael Steele drew criticism from within his own party Friday, including calls to resign, after saying the 9-year-old commitment of U.S. troops to Afghanistan was a mistaken "war of Obama's choosing."
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A war of Obama's choosing? How stupid does he think his listeners are?
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Before posting an article about this gaffe in the Afghanistan thread, I almost posted it in it's own thread with this exact title.
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| A war of Obama's choosing? How stupid does he think his listeners are? |
This guy is a walking disaster, but the sad thing is, he's just showing us the essence of our politics. Most politicians do exactly what he's doing here, he's just too stupid to do it in a subtle fashion. Even the more subtle practicioners of this "art" no longer really get away with it, due to the fact that everything of note they say in public is more or less out there on the internet, but at least they can fool the apathetic majority. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| The amount of idiocy that comes from this guy almost makes me think he's secretly on the DNC's payroll. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Let none of the following be misconstrued as a defense of Steele's comments:
It really annoys me how news reports will report what someone says, but then bury where it was said. Especially with politicians, the audience is important. Notice the context is finally given in the above link in the 5th or 6th paragraph, well after quoted responses are taken from people who weren't even there.
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| Republican officials confirmed Steele made the comments at a Connecticut fundraiser, which was closed to the news media. The remarks, at odds with the views of most members of the Republican Party, were caught on camera and posted on the Internet. |
Remember, the news has a bias towards news [rhymes with toys]. |
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Sympathy for Mr Vengeance
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I was thinking about this too. I don't know why the Republican party even hired him. And for another thing is extremely corrupt (but aren't they all...). RNC (and DNC) chairmen are supposed to speak FOR FREE but he charges large sums.
I think they only hired him as some supposed counterpoint to Obama. An attempt to be somewhat young, black, and "hip." Thank god it's falling apart and he doesn't seem to be holding up at all. He reminds me of that retard on CNN. I think he may have gone on that show before.
What's sad is look at how many weasels and tools and liars actually *do* make it to the top, and for precisely these reasons. Another example is Timothy Geithner who has [Mod Edit] up just about anything he's ever worked on yet is the treasury secretary. Not because he's smart but because he will blindly follow the prevailing "logic" and ideology at any time. Dean Baker, one of the few economists who saw what was coming all along, pointed out that it's almost like appointing Osama bin Laden to run the so-called war on terror.
[Mod Edit] retarded. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Sympathy for Mr Vengeance wrote: |
I think they only hired him as some supposed counterpoint to Obama. An attempt to be somewhat young, black, and "hip." Thank god it's falling apart and he doesn't seem to be holding up at all. |
Why should we be happy about Michael Steele being ineffective? |
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Sympathy for Mr Vengeance
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Because the Republican party has ran the country and even the world to some extent into the ground. Let's hope they never get their [Mod Edit] together ever again... |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| Sympathy for Mr Vengeance wrote: |
| Because the Republican party has ran the country and even the world to some extent into the ground. Let's hope they never get their [Mod Edit] together ever again... |
In a two-party system, you hope that one party never comes to power again?
Dude, think on that. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Republican officials confirmed Steele made the comments at a Connecticut fundraiser, which was closed to the news media. The remarks, at odds with the views of most members of the Republican Party, were caught on camera and posted on the Internet. |
That makes his comments even more bizarre. If he had made them for public consumption, I could at least understand that he was aiming them at members of hoi poloi who are too thick to question the phrase "Obama's war" as a description of Afghanistan.
But to make them at a political fundraiser, to a select audience of people who are probably better versed in politics than the average yokel, well, who exactly did he think he was duping there? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: Re: How stupid is Michael Steele? |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| Okay, maybe the war in Aghanistan is unwinnable, but since when has this been the offical position of the Republican party? |
The position of the Republican Party is whatever the neo-cons want it to be. MS is apparently not a neo-con, which is why the neo-cons want him out. Without the neo-cons the Republican party is 90% more sane.
I am a conservative. I am anti-war. The two positions to me are like mac and cheese. Can't have one without the other.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Conservatives-Call-for-Steeles-Resignation-Over-Afghanistan-Comments-4214
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* Resign This Weekend The Weekly Standard's William Kristol writes, "You are, I know, a patriot. So I ask you to consider, over this July 4 weekend, doing an act of service for the country you love: Resign as chairman of the Republican party. ... At a time when Gen. Petraeus has just taken over command, when Republicans in Congress are pushing for a clean war funding resolution, when Republicans around the country are doing their best to rally their fellow citizens behind the mission, your comment is more than an embarrassment. It�s an affront, both to the honor of the Republican party and to the commitment of the soldiers fighting to accomplish the mission they�ve been asked to take on by our elected leaders."
* 'Lost the Moral Authority' RedState's Erick Erickson writes, "The war in Afghanistan is not a war of Barack Obama�s choosing. It is a war of Al Qaeda and the Taliban�s choosing. We responded. Michael Steele must resign. He has lost all moral authority to lead the GOP."
* Wrong to Make Afghan War About Politics David Frum writes, "Maybe the strategy is genuinely wrong. Maybe the Afghanistan commitment is not worth the costs. Maybe instituting a stable central government in Afghanistan is an over-ambitious project. Again: fine. But with the guns firing, that�s a point of view to advocate in a serious and considered way, as part of a debate over national interests, not to score political points. The debate should be aimed at finding a resolution in Afghanistan that is maximally successful for the U.S. and partners, not the way that is maximally humiliating to the president. Obama may fail in Afghanistan. But if he does, the whole country fails with him."
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* 'Michael Steele must resign. Sheer stupidity/incompetence.' So writes Ann Althouse.
* More Calls of Resignation Are Forthcoming Talking Points Memo's Brian Beutler writes, "Republicans are furious with RNC Chairman Michael Steele. ... Steele has no shortage of enemies in the GOP and many of them sense an opportunity here. In fact, several, both privately and publicly, are saying this is the last straw: Steele should resign. ... I'm told that more high profile Republicans -- operatives and electeds -- will come forward shortly with condemnations, and even demands of resignation, later today. Stay tuned." |
Althouse, Beutler, Frum, Erickson and Kristol. All neo-cons. The Atlantic article above references some anonymous blogger too.
MS was convenient for the neo-cons when he kept his mouth shut. He's black and such. Easy to make fun of. A token. John Stewart does good bits on him. He apparently has a mind of his own and isn't a blood thirsty neo-con so now he has to go.
The neo-cons are former communists and devotees of Trotsky. Trotsky was one of the great mass murderers of the last 100 years. The neo cons don't care about democracy. They don't care about liberty or individual rights. The are not conservatives.
If any of you actually want a functional political spectrum you need to support the Ron Paul end of the Tea Party. Yes, they're WASP's and we all know that we're suppose to hate WASP's but the neo-cons will destroy the world. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| What's disturbing to me is the reaction of other republicans, notably John McCain, who seem to want the war in Afghanistan to last forever. |
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Sympathy for Mr Vengeance
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Sympathy for Mr Vengeance wrote: |
| Because the Republican party has ran the country and even the world to some extent into the ground. Let's hope they never get their [Mod Edit] together ever again... |
In a two-party system, you hope that one party never comes to power again?
Dude, think on that. |
The Republicans do nothing but damage to our country and the world. If their party collapses (as it sort of seems to be, unless the teabaggers amount to anything) then the Democrats and 3rd parties could take over. It could make room for people like Ralph Nader and Ross Perot. The American political system is a joke. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| It really annoys me how news reports will report what someone says, but then bury where it was said. Especially with politicians, the audience is important. Notice the context is finally given in the above link in the 5th or 6th paragraph, well after quoted responses are taken from people who weren't even there. |
That still does not make it right to make contradictory statements, also known as lies, just because they are said in different places.
| Sympathy for Mr Vengeance wrote: |
| Dean Baker, one of the few economists who saw what was coming all along, pointed out that it's almost like appointing Osama bin Laden to run the so-called war on terror. |
Isn't Obama sin Laden, too? 
| Sympathy for Mr Vengeance wrote: |
| Because the Republican party has ran the country and even the world to some extent into the ground. Let's hope they never get their [Mod Edit] together ever again... |
Oh, no, not another one!
"If only the other party were in power..." 
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| What's disturbing to me is the reaction of other republicans, notably John McCain, who seem to want the war in Afghanistan to last forever. |
Another two, I should have said. As if the Democrats want anything different...
Quiz:
Who voted with the Republicans to start this war?
Who voted with the Republicans to fund this war?
Who is in power now and has not ended the war?
(Hint: all the answers are the same.) |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
Let none of the following be misconstrued as a defense of Steele's comments:
It really annoys me how news reports will report what someone says, but then bury where it was said. Especially with politicians, the audience is important. Notice the context is finally given in the above link in the 5th or 6th paragraph, well after quoted responses are taken from people who weren't even there. |
That still does not make it right to make contradictory statements, also known as lies, just because they are said in different places.
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I fixed your quotation. It lacked very relevant information. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
Let none of the following be misconstrued as a defense of Steele's comments:
It really annoys me how news reports will report what someone says, but then bury where it was said. Especially with politicians, the audience is important. Notice the context is finally given in the above link in the 5th or 6th paragraph, well after quoted responses are taken from people who weren't even there. |
That still does not make it right to make contradictory statements, also known as lies, just because they are said in different places.
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I fixed your quotation. It lacked very relevant information. |
I read that. So if your point is not that context makes it OK, what is it? |
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