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KwardBound
Joined: 04 Jul 2010
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: Honest Newbie with Varied Questions |
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Hello,
I am new here. I won't sugarcoat this. I am potentially going to teach in Korea solely for money. Or, more or less 90% savings, 5% teaching, and 5% other. I have read around a bit and I gather that 60% seem to hate their life in Korea and 40% like it.
I would prefer to go to Japan again, but I really need to save money.
Here are my questions. If you know of a link that will very accurately answer my question, then please direct me there. Thanks.
1.) Korean companies pay airfare, housing, and my salary. Do they also typically pay for my transportation to and from my apt/school (or at least reimburse me like GEOS used to do in Japan)?
2.) How many of you have actually been randomly physically or verbally assaulted? Please share an anecdote.
3.) How many of you signed a contract, got paid on time every pay period, and received your year-end (contract completion) bonus? (i.e. How many have received anything they've been promised?)
4.) Who among you has walked down the street w/ your Korean girlfriend and NEVER been given an evil, critical, or jealous stare?
5.) I still want to study Japanese. Will I be able to find enough Japanese folks living in, or passing through Korea so that I can speak with natives?
6.) When I was in Japan I worked at a school during the day, and I used to work at a night club 3 days a week. What are the odds that I would be able to do this in Korea (This is actually very important to me.).
7.) Are the local women really that hard to crack? Are the female foreign residents "normal", or is there a vicious stereotype that is associated with any of the major groups?
*BTW, these questions could probably get their own individual thread, but as a newbie, I thought I would just group them here to avoid front-page clutter. |
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wormholes101

Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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smartwentcrazy
Joined: 26 Feb 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Go teach in Japan. Korea is not the place for you. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Even if there are FAQs here that you should read before asking questions...here goes
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1.) Korean companies pay airfare, housing, and my salary. Do they also typically pay for my transportation to and from my apt/school (or at least reimburse me like GEOS used to do in Japan)? |
No they do not.
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2.) How many of you have actually been randomly physically or verbally assaulted? Please share an anecdote. |
How can people answer this question when you ask how many....?
I personally have never been physically assaulted. Verbal assault...now whats that?
If you mean someone saying bad things to you...sure it happens everywhere...
3.) How many of you signed a contract, got paid on time every pay period, and received your year-end (contract completion) bonus? (i.e. How many have received anything they've been promised?)
Again...how can anyone answer you? All you will get is responses from indivuals...
While in Korea I had two situations with an employer where there was a disgreement over pay. Both were corrected easily. Others have had a harder time.
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4.) Who among you has walked down the street w/ your Korean girlfriend and NEVER been given an evil, critical, or jealous stare? |
Loaded question because you wrote in a way that will likely push responses one way....good luck with that one.
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5.) I still want to study Japanese. Will I be able to find enough Japanese folks living in, or passing through Korea so that I can speak with natives? |
Hard to say...why not stay in JAPAN?
Not many Japanese people live in Korea.
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6.) When I was in Japan I worked at a school during the day, and I used to work at a night club 3 days a week. What are the odds that I would be able to do this in Korea (This is actually very important to me.). |
Legally...zero.
I agree with a previous poster: stay in Japan...you sure sound like you want Korea to be like Japan...hint: it is not nor does it want to be 
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Honest Newbie with Varied Questions |
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KwardBound wrote: |
1.) Korean companies pay airfare, housing, and my salary. Do they also typically pay for my transportation to and from my apt/school (or at least reimburse me like GEOS used to do in Japan)? |
Typically, no.
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2.) How many of you have actually been randomly physically or verbally assaulted? Please share an anecdote. |
Only by drunk guys when I was also drunk.
I've been verbally assaulted in every other country I've ever been in, also.
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3.) How many of you signed a contract, got paid on time every pay period, and received your year-end (contract completion) bonus? (i.e. How many have received anything they've been promised?) |
I've never had any issues. A high percentage of people on here have had issues. Dave's isn't representative of foreign teachers in Korea, though.
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4.) Who among you has walked down the street w/ your Korean girlfriend and NEVER been given an evil, critical, or jealous stare? |
You don't have a Korean girl friend, why would you care?
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5.) I still want to study Japanese. Will I be able to find enough Japanese folks living in, or passing through Korea so that I can speak with natives? |
I've never met a Japanese person in Korea
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6.) When I was in Japan I worked at a school during the day, and I used to work at a night club 3 days a week. What are the odds that I would be able to do this in Korea (This is actually very important to me.). |
Next to impossible.
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7.) Are the local women really that hard to crack? Are the female foreign residents "normal", or is there a vicious stereotype that is associated with any of the major groups? |
If you suck with the women back home, you probably won't have that much luck here either. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Honest Newbie with Varied Questions |
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KwardBound wrote: |
Hello,
I am new here. I won't sugarcoat this. I am potentially going to teach in Korea solely for money. Or, more or less 90% savings, 5% teaching, and 5% other. I have read around a bit and I gather that 60% seem to hate their life in Korea and 40% like it.
I would prefer to go to Japan again, but I really need to save money.
Here are my questions. If you know of a link that will very accurately answer my question, then please direct me there. Thanks.
1.) Korean companies pay airfare, housing, and my salary. Do they also typically pay for my transportation to and from my apt/school (or at least reimburse me like GEOS used to do in Japan)?
no, not typically at all.
2.) How many of you have actually been randomly physically or verbally assaulted? Please share an anecdote.
yes, but i don't want to get into it.
3.) How many of you signed a contract, got paid on time every pay period, and received your year-end (contract completion) bonus? (i.e. How many have received anything they've been promised?)
job 1: no
job 2: yes
job 3: that remains to be seen
4.) Who among you has walked down the street w/ your Korean girlfriend and NEVER been given an evil, critical, or jealous stare?
n/a, i'm a girl
5.) I still want to study Japanese. Will I be able to find enough Japanese folks living in, or passing through Korea so that I can speak with natives?
you could probably join a japanese language group if you're in a big city. i've heard there's a french club in seoul.
6.) When I was in Japan I worked at a school during the day, and I used to work at a night club 3 days a week. What are the odds that I would be able to do this in Korea (This is actually very important to me.).
it would be very difficult to do this legally. you need permission from your employer and then you would need to inform immigration.
7.) Are the local women really that hard to crack? Are the female foreign residents "normal", or is there a vicious stereotype that is associated with any of the major groups?
although i'm biased, i think the foreign female population is more normal than the foreign guys.
*BTW, these questions could probably get their own individual thread, but as a newbie, I thought I would just group them here to avoid front-page clutter. |
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sulperman
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Honest Newbie with Varied Questions |
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KwardBound wrote: |
I have read around a bit and I gather that 60% seem to hate their life in Korea and 40% like it. |
Wow...Even among the misanthropes that populate Dave's the figures aren't that dismal. I'd say (of course there is no way to know for sure) that maybe 5-10 percent are miserable, and probably half of those are just sad because they miss their mommies and daddies.
You sound like you are already pretty geared up to not enjoy yourself here. I'd say forget it. |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Honest Newbie with Varied Questions |
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KwardBound wrote: |
1.) Korean companies pay airfare, housing, and my salary. Do they also typically pay for my transportation to and from my apt/school (or at least reimburse me like GEOS used to do in Japan)? |
Most hagwons will place you in an apartment sufficiently close that your only travel expense should be a pair of walking shoes. Public school jobs in the cities are much the same I believe. In the more rural areas, EPIK (public school employer) will usually have you working at more than one school. They will usually convince a co-worker to pick you up in the mornings. If you provide your own transportation, I believe they will give you a small allowance if you ask your local school board (the people who pay you) nicely.
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2.) How many of you have actually been randomly physically or verbally assaulted? Please share an anecdote. |
Never physically, but I'm bigger than any Korean I've ever met. Verbally I can really only remember once, some drunk guy in a bar started yelling at the foreigners (there were a few of us) to "speak Korean, you're in Korea" as he left the bar. He was never physically threatening, just rude. I've been in the same smaller city for 6 years, your mileage may vary.
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3.) How many of you signed a contract, got paid on time every pay period, and received your year-end (contract completion) bonus? (i.e. How many have received anything they've been promised?) |
I've never been stiffed on a contract. I've only worked two separate jobs. Of the about one hundred hagwon employees I've known personally, maybe ten of them got shafted in some way, most of them by the same shady hagwon in town that finally went out of business a couple years back. I've never heard of a public school (EPIK) employee not being paid everything they were due.
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4.) Who among you has walked down the street w/ your Korean girlfriend and NEVER been given an evil, critical, or jealous stare? |
I've been with a Korean woman for four years now and have never really sensed any great deal of animosity from Koreans. The whole staring mythos is a huge mystery to me. Six years here, in a podunk backwoods town and I rarely, if ever notice anyone, other than little kids, staring at me. I'm a bit thick/don't care about what other people think of me though, my girlfriend might have a different opinion.
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5.) I still want to study Japanese. Will I be able to find enough Japanese folks living in, or passing through Korea so that I can speak with natives? |
Knowledge of Japanese is quite common, some public schools even have Japanese courses. You won't run into too many Japanese tourists though. Learning Japanese while you're in Korea might be frowned upon a bit as well since they've still got a bit of a hate on over Dokdo and the 50 years of occupation. I find it's largely for show though, as Koreans regularly and happily imbibe Japanese culture.
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6.) When I was in Japan I worked at a school during the day, and I used to work at a night club 3 days a week. What are the odds that I would be able to do this in Korea (This is actually very important to me.). |
E2 visa regulations will not allow it. Basically your employer owns your visa, so you may only legally work for them, and anyone else they agree to let you work for. A nightclub is not a likely candidate. In fact, you'll find night club has a whole new connotation in Korea. The vast majority of them are "booking" clubs, where you pay a boatload of money at the door to get a table, some substandard booze and some fruit. Then the waiters hang around expecting you to pay them to drag girls to your table. In the bigger cities, you'll find a lot of the more standard booze and dancing places. In this place, a city of 200'000 people, there is not a normal night club to be found.
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7.) Are the local women really that hard to crack? Are the female foreign residents "normal", or is there a vicious stereotype that is associated with any of the major groups? |
Really, people are people regardless of where they're from. I've dated a few Koreans and language barrier aside, it wasn't really much different from dating back home. I no more dreaded meeting any of their parents than the parents of a gf back home, though you're less likely to meet a Korean girls' parents unless she's really serious. If it's your thing, picking up is harder, but certainly not impossible. |
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KwardBound
Joined: 04 Jul 2010
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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After the first 2 responses, I thought I wasn't going to get any help whatsoever, but you guys pleasantly surprised me.
1.) Its good to know that companies don't pay for transportation. It makes it easier to design a budget
2.) Its true that I will only get individual answers rather than 1 concise answer, but that is actually what I was going for. No one is the same, but alot of you may have had similar experiences and from that I can form my own opinion. As I'd been in Japan, and never been physically assaulted, I was just wondering if those Koreans that do hate foreigners were bold enough to fist fight.
3). this lets me know what the typical norm is. I prefer for it to be positive and negative responses here. I feel that if it was too 1-sided then that would raise some eyebrows
4.) Once again, I have read the stereotypes, and I just wanted to see if any of them have been witnessed by you firsthand, and then how you went about dealing, or not dealing with it.
5.) I'm currently not in Japan and I don't plan on living there again for the time being. As I said at the outset, I am looking at Korea as a money source. Will I learn some Korean? Naturally. But if I want to continue with Japanese, why should my location halt me?
6.) Technically it is not legal in Japan either, but I did it for about 4 months with not one problem. I didn't really have much problems in general with the police and every time I did I cooperated accordingly. Plus, there was a thread here about how K-cops are about as useless as J-cops.
7.) I'm a yong man who has traveled somewhat. I have heard sterotypes. You guys, unlike me, have experiences. If the sterotypes are untrue, then you can tell me. I ask for information, because this is information I will actually use. By stereotypes, I mean, are American women in Korea too _________? Are Thai women in Korea too _____________? Or are they normal (good ones, bad ones, and a healthy mix of in-between.)? |
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KwardBound
Joined: 04 Jul 2010
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Another quick thing. These E2 visas don't really allow private teaching, right, but people do it, no?
For those that have helped me, I really appreciate this and further info.
For those trying to keep me away, don't worry too much. I would leave until March-April 2011 anyway. And if I get a good amount of money before that, I may not even need to make the trip. So, I'm about 50% sure I will be going to Korea. |
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Gaber

Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Honest Newbie with Varied Questions |
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1. Nope. Shouldn't be far or pricey though
2. Me, never
3. Always
4. *shrug
5. Think you'd be hard pressed
6. It's illegal, and if you're talking about bar work... it's possible I guess, but far from common
7. There are plenty of worthwhile foreign girls here, assuming your worth a damn yourself. Korean girls aren't my area of expertise |
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mcviking
Joined: 24 Mar 2009 Location: 'Fantastic' America
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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1. No.
2. Don't get drunkenly retarded and stay away from people that are drunkenly retarded and you will avoid 99% of all potential fights and conflicts.
3. I have almost always got paid on time. Sometimes I got paid a few days late because it was a weekend pay date. Generally they pay you the Friday before.
4. You will see things if you look for them. I have done this myself in the past, if you look for trouble you will find it. If you look for a mean mug adjoshi/adjumma you will find one. Again see Rule 2.
5. Many college students I know in Busan are also studying Japanese. It won't be impossible, but it is odd that there is not more Japanese culture considering how close it is. You can find Japanese tourist in shopping districts and casinos. Pretty hard to tell the difference unless you hear them speaking.
6. You might be able to pull it off, but K-immi "don't mess around." Your 50,000 bucks extra a night won't be worth it.
7. Some guys have all the luck some don't. If you aren't morbidly obese, socially retarded, or just plain creepy, you can find a date. Don't expect your teenage Asian girl fantasies to come true though. Foreign girls well its just like home except they are here, many of them come with boy friends though. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Honest Newbie with Varied Questions |
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KwardBound wrote: |
Hello,
I am new here. I won't sugarcoat this. I am potentially going to teach in Korea solely for money. Or, more or less 90% savings, 5% teaching, and 5% other. I have read around a bit and I gather that 60% seem to hate their life in Korea and 40% like it.
I would prefer to go to Japan again, but I really need to save money.
Here are my questions. If you know of a link that will very accurately answer my question, then please direct me there. Thanks.
1.) Korean companies pay airfare, housing, and my salary. Do they also typically pay for my transportation to and from my apt/school (or at least reimburse me like GEOS used to do in Japan)?
2.) How many of you have actually been randomly physically or verbally assaulted? Please share an anecdote.
3.) How many of you signed a contract, got paid on time every pay period, and received your year-end (contract completion) bonus? (i.e. How many have received anything they've been promised?)
4.) Who among you has walked down the street w/ your Korean girlfriend and NEVER been given an evil, critical, or jealous stare?
5.) I still want to study Japanese. Will I be able to find enough Japanese folks living in, or passing through Korea so that I can speak with natives?
6.) When I was in Japan I worked at a school during the day, and I used to work at a night club 3 days a week. What are the odds that I would be able to do this in Korea (This is actually very important to me.).
7.) Are the local women really that hard to crack? Are the female foreign residents "normal", or is there a vicious stereotype that is associated with any of the major groups?
*BTW, these questions could probably get their own individual thread, but as a newbie, I thought I would just group them here to avoid front-page clutter. |
1) Companies don't generally pay for transportation to and from work.
2) I have never had this happen to me, but I have experienced a few times where a passing remark was made (one time I can think of where I was called fat. Ok, it's true I'm not skinny).
3) I've never had a problem with getting paid on time. Most of it is doing research on the school you are going to and making sure they are legitimate. Now, I will say that I had problems with my first school here when I was a green newbie fresh off the plane. I won't go into the fine points of what happened, but rather then let myself get transferred to another school, I got released and found another job.
4) I have occasionally gotten a hard look from someone when I am with my wife who is Korean, but it doesn't happen very often.
5) You will find people here that speak Japanese, but you may have to do language exchange or something like that. Many of the old (like my father-in-law) speak fluent Japanese since they were in school under the Japanese occupation.
6) Generally if you are on an E-2 visa it is illegal to work a part-time job. You can get permission from both your employer and immigration, but I would say the likelihood of that happening is slim.
7) It really depends what you are looking for and where you live. The women in the Southern part of the country tend to be more conservative and less apt to date and marry a foreigner. In Seoul, you are more likely to find women who are interested in foreigners. It really is hit or miss. The best way to meet someone is through a friend. I met my wife in 05' and we have been married 4 1/2 years. Also some parents are leery of letting their daughters date/marry a foreigner, so it really depends on how liberal they are. |
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jomiro
Joined: 10 Jan 2010
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Honest Newbie with Varied Questions |
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KwardBound wrote: |
4.) Who among you has walked down the street w/ your Korean girlfriend and NEVER been given an evil, critical, or jealous stare?
please, everybody receives that. if not from koreans, than from foreigners.
5.) I still want to study Japanese. Will I be able to find enough Japanese folks living in, or passing through Korea so that I can speak with natives?
one word. JAPAN.
however, icheon is the place to be for japanese stuff, so i heard.
6.) When I was in Japan I worked at a school during the day, and I used to work at a night club 3 days a week. What are the odds that I would be able to do this in Korea (This is actually very important to me.).
as far as i know, the working visa you will get is for teaching only. you can offer private teaching lessons. but i doubt any employer would employ you the 'legal' way when you are here on a teaching visa.
visas are usually also just valid for one employer.
but i could be wrong.
7.) Are the local women really that hard to crack? Are the female foreign residents "normal", or is there a vicious stereotype that is associated with any of the major groups?
are you kidding me? seriously.
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and i would have to agree with the previous poster.
go to japan. korea is not for you! |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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1) been answered
2) Once, verbally by a drunk Canadian/American for looking at him in a strange way (I was looking at him in a strange way because he was completely off his face at 1 o'clock in the afternoon)
3) always
4) never
5) I see tons of Japanese in Korea. Bus loads of them stop in Itaewon towards the end of the strip. There's a Japanese cultural place where they probably have Japanese lessons on the floor below the British Council in Seoul.
6) been answered
7) no, yes. |
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