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young_clinton
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It's a relatively petty incident. Why the student would do this is not real clear except she probably felt not enough is being done to handle people she dislikes. Very very manipulative and dishonest.
On the other hand is antisemitism a serious problem? A problem that has possibly existed for 1000's of years? Were the ancient Egyptians antisemetic? Were the ancient Romans antisemetic? How about when Edward I kicked the Jews out of England because they were Jewish. In 1480 the Pope asked Louis XI why he wasn't dealing with the Jews in France. Louis XI refused the pope and didn't follow the other states that were abusing Jews, smart ruler. How about the Arab states and Palestinians that sided with Hitler's treatment of Jews during World War II? Then what about the holocaust? The Jewish population of Europe almost entirely wiped out. Does anybody think antisemitism is a real problem?
The Palestinians along with other Arabs and Iranians have consistently refused to accept that Jews should have a place of thier own on the earth. I sympathize with the Palestinian plight, but they made thier own bed and still continue to make things worse for themselves. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| How about the Arab states and Palestinians that sided with Hitler's treatment of Jews during World War II? |
I don't know about that. Document it, if you can.
I do, however, know about Zionist collaboration with the Nazis at that time:
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Herzl himself wrote of the Jews in the following fashion: �I achieved a freer attitude toward anti-Semitism, which I now began to understand historically and to pardon. Above all, I recognized the emptiness and futility of trying to �combat� anti-Semitism." [76] The youth organization of the Zionists, Hashomer Hatzair (young Guard) published the following: "A Jew is a caricature of a normal, natural human being, both physically and spiritually. As an individual in society he revolts and throws off the harness of social obligations, knows no order nor discipline." [77] "The Jewish people," wrote Jabotinsky in the same vein, "is a very bad people; its neighbors hate it and rightly so ... its only salvation lies in a general immigration to the land of Israel." [78] The founders of Zionism despaired of combating anti-Semitism and, paradoxically, regarded the anti-Semites themselves as allies, because of a shared desire to remove the Jews from the countries in which they lived. Step by step, they assimilated the values of Jew-hatred and anti-Semitism, as the Zionist movement came to regard the anti-Semites themselves as their most reliable sponsors and protectors.
Collaborating with the Nazis
This strategy of enlisting Europe�s virulent Jew-haters, and of aligning with the most vicious movements and regimes as financial and military patrons of a Zionist colony in Palestine, did not exclude the Nazis.
The Zionist Federation of Germany sent a memorandum of support to the Nazi Party on June 21, 1933. In it the Federation noted:
... a rebirth of national life such as is occurring in German life ... must also take place in the Jewish national group.
On the foundation of the new [Nazi] state which has established the principle of race, we wish so to fit our community into the total structure so that for us, too, in the sphere assigned to us, fruitful activity for the Fatherland is possible ... [81]
Far from repudiating this policy, the World Zionist Organization Congress in 1933 defeated a resolution calling for action against Hitler by a vote of 240 to 43.
During this very Congress, Hitler announced a trade agreement with the WZO�s Anglo-Palestine Bank, breaking, thereby, the Jewish boycott of the Nazi regime at a time when the German economy was extremely vulnerable. It was the height of the Depression and people were wheeling barrels full of worthless German Marks. The World Zionist Organization broke the Jewish boycott and became the principal distributor of Nazi goods throughout the Middle East and Northern Europe. They established the Ha�avara, which was a bank in Palestine designed to receive monies from the German-Jewish bourgeoisie, with which sums Nazi goods were purchased in very substantial quantity. |
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Trevor
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| The founders of Zionism despaired of combating anti-Semitism and, paradoxically, regarded the anti-Semites themselves as allies, because of a shared desire to remove the Jews from the countries in which they lived. Step by step, they assimilated the values of Jew-hatred and anti-Semitism, as the Zionist movement came to regard the anti-Semites themselves as their most reliable sponsors and protectors. |
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| This kind of thing gives hate crimes a bad name. |
Hate crimes are a complete joke, and attack the idea of freedom of speech.
In other words, get rid of the suckers. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| wesharris wrote: |
| Arthur Dent wrote: |
| This kind of thing gives hate crimes a bad name. |
Hate crimes are a complete joke, and attack the idea of freedom of speech.
In other words, get rid of the suckers. |
That's right. The crime should consist only of the act, not what others think was in the actor's mind. |
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Arthur Dent
Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Location: Kochu whirld
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| wesharris wrote: |
| Arthur Dent wrote: |
| This kind of thing gives hate crimes a bad name. |
Hate crimes are a complete joke, and attack the idea of freedom of speech.
In other words, get rid of the suckers. |
That's right. The crime should consist only of the act, not what others think was in the actor's mind. |
I hope you realize I was being facetious. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Arthur Dent wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| wesharris wrote: |
| Arthur Dent wrote: |
| This kind of thing gives hate crimes a bad name. |
Hate crimes are a complete joke, and attack the idea of freedom of speech.
In other words, get rid of the suckers. |
That's right. The crime should consist only of the act, not what others think was in the actor's mind. |
I hope you realize I was being facetious. |
Yes. I guess I should have omitted your quote as I was only responding to wes. |
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