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Leon



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:

Anyway, I missed something: how did the cavedwellers get their hands on the military-grade nanothermite found in the WTC rubble?


Regardless of what you think about WTC, the fact that you call Al-Qaeda cave dwellers shows your bias/ignorance. How about well funded, organized, and equipped terrorist group?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
bacasper wrote:

Anyway, I missed something: how did the cavedwellers get their hands on the military-grade nanothermite found in the WTC rubble?


Regardless of what you think about WTC,

It used to have a nice view from the Observation Deck.

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the fact that you call Al-Qaeda cave dwellers shows your bias/ignorance. How about well funded, organized, and equipped terrorist group?

Osama is not hiding out in a cave? So the leading American generals and intelligence officers are all ignorant? Since you know better, when are you applying for the National Security Director position?

BTW, nothing wrong with living in a cave. I did it for a weekend when I went camping.

And if you still don't know who funded, organized, and equipped Al-Qaeda, go back a page or two. And pay more attention in the future.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Leon wrote:
bacasper wrote:

Anyway, I missed something: how did the cavedwellers get their hands on the military-grade nanothermite found in the WTC rubble?


Regardless of what you think about WTC,

It used to have a nice view from the Observation Deck.

Quote:
the fact that you call Al-Qaeda cave dwellers shows your bias/ignorance. How about well funded, organized, and equipped terrorist group?

Osama is not hiding out in a cave? So the leading American generals and intelligence officers are all ignorant? Since you know better, when are you applying for the National Security Director position?

BTW, nothing wrong with living in a cave. I did it for a weekend when I went camping.

And if you still don't know who funded, organized, and equipped Al-Qaeda, go back a page or two. And pay more attention in the future.


Yeah man, they are in caves. It's not what you said it's what you implied. Al-Qaeda may have received funds from the C.I.A, but that is not where they receive most of their money. They are a very different group than the Mujahideen. Do you have any proof for what you claim? Look here if you don't believe me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

Maybe you pay attention to all the wrong sources
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

Rolling Eyes
See Who's Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign
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Leon



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Leon wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

Rolling Eyes
See Who's Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign


"The vast majority of changes are fairly innocuous, however. Employees at the CIA's net address, for example, have been busy -- but with little that would indicate their place of apparent employment, or a particular bias.
One entry on "Black September in Jordan" contains wholesale additions, with specific details that read like a popular history book or an eyewitness' memoir.
Many more are simple copy edits, or additions to local town entries or school histories. One CIA entry deals with the details of lyrics sung in a Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode.


Read More http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker?currentPage=2#ixzz0ss5Jo01w"

And I'm not paying attention?
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Leon wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

Rolling Eyes
See Who's Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign


"The vast majority of changes are fairly innocuous, however. Employees at the CIA's net address, for example, have been busy -- but with little that would indicate their place of apparent employment, or a particular bias.
One entry on "Black September in Jordan" contains wholesale additions, with specific details that read like a popular history book or an eyewitness' memoir.
Many more are simple copy edits, or additions to local town entries or school histories. One CIA entry deals with the details of lyrics sung in a Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode.


Read More http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker?currentPage=2#ixzz0ss5Jo01w"

And I'm not paying attention?


Don't be naive.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:


Don't be naive.

Thanks, mises. I wasn't even going to bother.
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...the Pentagon does have perhaps the single largest public relations apparatus on earth � spending $4.7 billion on P.R. in 2009 alone and employing 27,000 people, a staff nearly as large as the 30,000-person State Department � ...

http://www.rollingstone.com

The apparatus will spend 5 billion and employ 27k people - just at the Pentagon - but won't bother to ensure that Wikipedia pulls the line?
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Leon



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Leon wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Leon wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

Rolling Eyes
See Who's Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign


"The vast majority of changes are fairly innocuous, however. Employees at the CIA's net address, for example, have been busy -- but with little that would indicate their place of apparent employment, or a particular bias.
One entry on "Black September in Jordan" contains wholesale additions, with specific details that read like a popular history book or an eyewitness' memoir.
Many more are simple copy edits, or additions to local town entries or school histories. One CIA entry deals with the details of lyrics sung in a Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode.


Read More http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker?currentPage=2#ixzz0ss5Jo01w"

And I'm not paying attention?


Don't be naive.


How I'm I being naive? Bacasper posted a link that claimed to discredit what I said, but the article never mentioned substantive changes by the C.I.A, unless you take Buffy really seriously. Did the C.I.A. aid Al-Qaeda, impossible to say for sure due to the nature of the C.I.A. Is there any proof of it, not that I'm aware of. I don't see why they would either. Wikipedia isn't the best source, but it's quick and easy. I wouldn't use it for a paper, but I believe in this case it's accurate. If it isn't then show me where they gave aid.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
How I'm I being naive? Bacasper posted a link that claimed to discredit what I said, but the article never mentioned substantive changes by the C.I.A, unless you take Buffy really seriously. Did the C.I.A. aid Al-Qaeda, impossible to say for sure due to the nature of the C.I.A. Is there any proof of it, not that I'm aware of. I don't see why they would either. Wikipedia isn't the best source, but it's quick and easy. I wouldn't use it for a paper, but I believe in this case it's accurate. If it isn't then show me where they gave aid.

You're on the wrong thread. Stay on topic.
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