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allan of asia
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Here, there, everywhere
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| nope. politics! |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| allan of asia wrote: |
| nope. politics! |
More right leaning than left leaning, perhaps.... Its ok, I'm just joshing |
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PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: |
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3 weeks long (9am ish to 12 noon ish).
Then 1 measly weeks vacation (5 days), followed by 2 weeks of deskwarming 9am to 5pm. |
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sesyeux
Joined: 20 Jul 2009
Location: king 'arrys
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| one day. we're off to ocean world. not really a camp, but thats what the schools calling it... |
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DeMayonnaise
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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"It's only a week!"
5 days of 3 hours a day, then heading to Spain as soon as it's over. |
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eljuero
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: three weeks |
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Three weeks. Two hours a day, co-teacher (mixed blessing) and a bump up in salary for 1 of the 2 hours/day.
The salary bump is a moving target as they seem to change the rate every time I talk with them but it's a nice step up for a few weeks.
Yeah, they should just standardize the camp or put a max on it with the minimum amount. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: How long is YOUR summer camp? |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
No Jon Pak has never said anything of the kind, in fact he is quite clear when speaking or posting information that you are asked to work a MINIMUM of 3 weeks.
Jon Pak has made a number of specific references to the fact that there is no maximum.
This is easily verifiable by virtually any of the places he posts notices which includes the facebook groups, the SMOE website, and the ETIS website.
Perhaps you could get your information correct before you put word ino his mouth |
Perhaps you could try to be a little less condescending when you post.
Were you at the SMOE orientation last August? That's where I heard it come out of his mouth. And I believe someone else earlier in this thread confirmed what I claimed--he SAID it. I don't follow all the posts he makes, so I apologize if I offended you by simply repeating what I heard.
I also believe that my words were something like, "I SWEAR I heard him say blah blah blah". I don't know where you come from, but if I was to read that, I'd assume the OP was almost sure, but had some doubts about it.
So I guess 3 weeks max isn't the case. My bad. |
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eljuero
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: How long is YOUR summer camp? |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
No Jon Pak has never said anything of the kind, in fact he is quite clear when speaking or posting information that you are asked to work a MINIMUM of 3 weeks.
Jon Pak has made a number of specific references to the fact that there is no maximum.
This is easily verifiable by virtually any of the places he posts notices which includes the facebook groups, the SMOE website, and the ETIS website.
Perhaps you could get your information correct before you put word ino his mouth |
Perhaps you could try to be a little less condescending when you post.
Were you at the SMOE orientation last August? That's where I heard it come out of his mouth. And I believe someone else earlier in this thread confirmed what I claimed--he SAID it. I don't follow all the posts he makes, so I apologize if I offended you by simply repeating what I heard.
I also believe that my words were something like, "I SWEAR I heard him say blah blah blah". I don't know where you come from, but if I was to read that, I'd assume the OP was almost sure, but had some doubts about it.
So I guess 3 weeks max isn't the case. My bad. |
Seoulio
It must be my Irish background that causes me to jump into fights I shouldn't  but I do feel your name is beginning to stick in mind as a seriously unhappy and snippy poster when you respond to others on the board.
You're business of course but your unhappiness with others may not actually be about others.....if you get the drift? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| southernman wrote: |
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I think one of the reasons people are upset by not getting paid is that Korean teachers do get paid, well paid, if they have to do extra classes during winter/summer vacations. One of my friends who teaches with me was happy to be teaching last winter vacation. He was very surprised and embarassed when he found out that I was not getting extra pay.
I'll freely admit it annoys me, I get told I'm a very good teacher from the Principle down, yet the pay disparity and less holiday times, grate me.
Yes I knew it when I signed the contract but that doesn't mean I'm not annoyed. It's only human nature, well my nature anyway, to see double standards and be upset by them, especially when they effect you.
I'm very big on human rights and workplace double standards, then again I'm a swk major, maybe you're business or accounting ?  |
Only this has nothing to do with human rights and workplace standards. The Korean teachers are on DIFFERENT CONTRACTS than we are. They are long-term professional teachers (tenure). We aren't (well most of us).
Besides which we are teaching assistants (at least that is what we are classified as).
Do you think that TA's back home get the same salary and perks as a tenured professor? Of course not. So why would you expect it here? Long term help and short term help are different the world over. |
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eljuero
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: Except that...... |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| southernman wrote: |
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I think one of the reasons people are upset by not getting paid is that Korean teachers do get paid, well paid, if they have to do extra classes during winter/summer vacations. One of my friends who teaches with me was happy to be teaching last winter vacation. He was very surprised and embarassed when he found out that I was not getting extra pay.
I'll freely admit it annoys me, I get told I'm a very good teacher from the Principle down, yet the pay disparity and less holiday times, grate me.
Yes I knew it when I signed the contract but that doesn't mean I'm not annoyed. It's only human nature, well my nature anyway, to see double standards and be upset by them, especially when they effect you.
I'm very big on human rights and workplace double standards, then again I'm a swk major, maybe you're business or accounting ? |
Only this has nothing to do with human rights and workplace standards. The Korean teachers are on DIFFERENT CONTRACTS than we are. They are long-term professional teachers (tenure). We aren't (well most of us).
Besides which we are teaching assistants (at least that is what we are classified as).
Do you think that TA's back home get the same salary and perks as a tenured professor? Of course not. So why would you expect it here? Long term help and short term help are different the world over. |
I think you're being a bit black & white about this. Look at the range of responses for how long summer camp goes and the differences in pay amongst foreign teachers alone - those are issues about standards aren't they?
If foreign teachers were free to negotiate different wages, duration of camps or to accept or decline doing camp (similarly to evening classes) then it may feel fairer to people. Given the fact it is a contract "requirement" with so many different time frames and pay differences......again, I think this has quite a bit to do with standards.
Whatever your position is on this - it should be obvious by now that people share information about this at Dave's and elsewhere. It seems like something worth clarifying. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, forgot to add--the entire 4 weeks I will be teaching WITHOUT a co-teacher.
I will be teaching 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, AND 6th grades.
5 hours a day, 5 days a week, 4 weeks. |
That is obscene. You had to ask if you were getting ripped off? |
It's my first year teaching so I had nothing to compare with. Of course I think it's obscene, and all my friends have way less work, but I had initial doubts because the camp coord. had this shocked reaction to the effect of, "WHAAAAT?! You think this is a lot?! Please understand our school's situation. etc, etc, etc."
So I guess it's kind of nice to know I'm getting a bad deal with my camp. Here's hoping to better ones in the future--the biotch is leaving my school next semester! |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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To me that sounds utterly rediculous! Summer vacation is only five weeks long - so you only have one week holiday? |
I think my school ends a bit early or something? So in the end, I think I have EXACTLY 2 weeks between contracts to use my vacation. Kinda cutting it close but I'll have it
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| How long have you been at your school? Are you able to suggest that your co-teacher talks to a few other co-teachers at nearby schools so that she/he might see that you're being asked to do one HELL of a lot in comparison?! |
This is my first year at the school. I have tried and tried reasoning with the woman (witch) in charge of the camp. Saddest part is, she doesn't even have anything to do with English anymore--she did last year, but since her replacement is a recent grad from teaching school, she decided she'd "help" him out by constructing the entire camp. She has ridiculous aspirations to move up in SMOE so she tries to make everything as difficult, long, etc. as possible to show off to the higher-ups.
She doesn't believe that other schools have considerable less work than ours. Actually, she refuses to even listen to the faint possibility that I'm doing even a LITTLE more work than anyone I know. It always comes down to, "I'm just following the contract" (that's funny, cause I teach 8 afterschool classes a week without a co-teacher when the contract says we are entitled to one) and the old chestnut: "Please understand our situation".
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Best of luck to you. I hope you find a way to cut that camp down to something more decent.
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Thanks for your concern |
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eljuero
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: Please understand the situation..... |
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I'm pretty happy in my job all things considered but the idea of saying "please understand the situation" when you get tossed a scenario you don't like sounds like it could be fun to me.  |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Mine is the same mandated 3 weeks (22 teaching hours per week) that I have done for 4 camps now. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Just say "Please understand MY situation" right back.
Take your vacation. Let them know you'll do it either during summer holiday, or, if they put it in writing, during the school year--per your contract. |
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