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Bloopity Bloop



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:47 am    Post subject: Get out of my elevator Reply with quote

Warning: Vent

After getting back to my officetel, absolutely exhausted after a packed day holding a bunch of melting ice cream among a ton of other stuff, I pressed the button on the odd floor elevator and waited for it to come down from the 11th floor. Right when it gets down to the 3rd floor, these 2 absolutely stupid 30-something year old women come out of nowhere and press the down button on both elevators. Of course, even though I'd been waiting RIGHT in front of the elevator, they walk right in front of me as I'm picking up my bags and press... you guessed it... B1. Even though they knew I was going up, I guess they decided they were somehow more important than me. EVEN THOUGH THE F-ING STAIRS WERE LITERALLY ACROSS FROM THE ELEVATOR. EVEN THOUGH I HAD LIKE 6 F-ING BAGS THEY DECIDED TO GO DOWN ONE FLOOR INSTEAD OF WALKING DOWN ONE FLIGHT OF STAIRS THAT WERE, LIKE I SAID, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE ELEVATOR. EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER ELEVATOR WAS ALSO COMING DOWN AND WAS AT FLOOR 2 WHEN MINE HAD ARRIVED (the even elevator also goes to B1). And of course, even though I let out a huge groan and a dropped a long, fat, f-bomb, they didn't look me at all, apologize, say anything, they just looked at themselves and adjusted their hair, make-up, etc. with their mirrors and continued talking about whatever undoubtedly mindless drivel they were talking about before--something about how they wish their boyfriends had more money. As lucky as I am, when I started going up, 4 people got on at the 1st floor. 2 got of at the 3rd floor, 1 got off at 5, and 1 got off at 7. FML.

I know I'm overreacting, but sometimes the people that are so in-your-face rude make me hate living here. It's a very brief, passing feeling, but sometimes I can't help but attribute rudeness I encounter to Koreans. Like I said, it's a passing feeling, but when I get it, like today, it sets me off. Can't wait for the apologists to come in and talk about rude horror stories from abroad, or to say they've heard this a million times, GET OVER IT. I've never personally encountered so much blatant rudeness back home.

Is this behavior not rude in Korea?
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I'm glad that I learned how to reprimand for rudeness in Korean. My grammar might not be perfect, but
a) they're flabbergasted that I speak more Korean than hello, thank you, and how much does this cost?,
b) I talk to them as if they're children, which is fun, and
c) they usually back off, humiliated because they're afraid of a 5' tall girl.
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pangaea



Joined: 20 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYC_Gal wrote:

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This is why I'm glad that I learned how to reprimand for rudeness in Korean. My grammar might not be perfect, but
a) they're flabbergasted that I speak more Korean than hello, thank you, and how much does this cost?,
b) I talk to them as if they're children, which is fun, and
c) they usually back off, humiliated because they're afraid of a 5' tall girl.


I must learn this.

What makes me furious is people pushing into the elevator before I can get off. As soon as the door starts to open a teeny crack, someone will push their way on and practically run over me.
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LL Moonmanhead



Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Location: yo momma

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

talking to adults in banmal is a surefire way to get a (thoroughly deserved) punch in the face.

hope your way of dealing with percieved rudeness works out for you nyc girl!
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once had to yell at an ajumma who tried to cut in front or me at Homeplus for a taxi. There was a very old woman just ahead, and I was waving for the taxi to move up for her, so that she could get in first (I care about the elderly, not pig-headed middle agers) and I'd take the next. He understood, and as I was picking up my grocery bags, this ajumma walked right in front of me to the taxi that pulled up to me and opened the door. I yelled (in Korean) No! Grandma first, me second, you third! Are you a pig?
I'm sure my grammar was off, but boy did she get my point!
Her eyes bugged out and she got out of the taxi. The driver laughed the duration of the trip.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LL Moonmanhead wrote:
talking to adults in banmal is a surefire way to get a (thoroughly deserved) punch in the face.

hope your way of dealing with percieved rudeness works out for you nyc girl!


Deserved? She deserves physical violence over a word? It seems to me that someone somewhere needs to mature (as in act like an adult) a tad.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I speak in informal polite most of the time. People can only lose respect. I start them at 100%. It isn't perceived rudeness. It's rudeness. When someone sees you picking up your bags and walks past you and opens the door to the taxi that just pulled up to you, that's rude. My Korean friends agree.

Also, nobody's going to punch me in the face. They'll get choked out or stuck in a wrist lock before they know what happens.
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one can use you or abuse you or screw you over UNLESS YOU let them.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: Get out of my elevator Reply with quote

Bloopity Bloop wrote:
...are so in-your-face rude... Is this behavior not rude in Korea?

Obligations arise out of relationships in Korean society, so that once one meets someone one has to be polite, is really quite considerate and responsible, but there is no sense of responsibility or obligation to strangers, so people act like they don't exist, aren't considerate in the least to the feelings and situation of someone they haven't met. There's a lack of civiic duty toward others in general - it's a cultural thing.

So, in short, it's not RUDE, because you do not exist to them as a person until you have been introduced to them. Obligations arise within relationships. No overarching cultural mandate from religion (love thy neighbour, be a good samaritan, etc). And in a nation of cities crowded with millions of strangers, people just try to get by, literally they just tried to GET BY you. No need for politeness here, just get on with things. If you get upset at them for their "rudeness"" they'd just look puzzled, don't understand what's wrong because they don't perceive any obligation toward strangers whatsoever.

This is NOT Kansas.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer the British way, where people apologise to ME for ME bumping into them
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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
LL Moonmanhead wrote:
talking to adults in banmal is a surefire way to get a (thoroughly deserved) punch in the face.

hope your way of dealing with percieved rudeness works out for you nyc girl!


Deserved? She deserves physical violence over a word? It seems to me that someone somewhere needs to mature (as in act like an adult) a tad.


Seconded.
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conrad2



Joined: 05 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Get out of my elevator Reply with quote

Louis VI wrote:
Bloopity Bloop wrote:
...are so in-your-face rude... Is this behavior not rude in Korea?

Obligations arise out of relationships in Korean society, so that once one meets someone one has to be polite, is really quite considerate and responsible, but there is no sense of responsibility or obligation to strangers, so people act like they don't exist, aren't considerate in the least to the feelings and situation of someone they haven't met. There's a lack of civiic duty toward others in general - it's a cultural thing.

So, in short, it's not RUDE, because you do not exist to them as a person until you have been introduced to them. Obligations arise within relationships. No overarching cultural mandate from religion (love thy neighbour, be a good samaritan, etc). And in a nation of cities crowded with millions of strangers, people just try to get by, literally they just tried to GET BY you. No need for politeness here, just get on with things. If you get upset at them for their "rudeness"" they'd just look puzzled, don't understand what's wrong because they don't perceive any obligation toward strangers whatsoever.

This is NOT Kansas.


I have heard this cop out crap so many times. I dont buy it. Koreans also dont like to be shoved, bumped, and cut in front of in line. I see it every day on the subway.
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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Get out of my elevator Reply with quote

Louis VI wrote:
Bloopity Bloop wrote:
...are so in-your-face rude... Is this behavior not rude in Korea?

Obligations arise out of relationships in Korean society, so that once one meets someone one has to be polite, is really quite considerate and responsible, but there is no sense of responsibility or obligation to strangers, so people act like they don't exist, aren't considerate in the least to the feelings and situation of someone they haven't met. There's a lack of civiic duty toward others in general - it's a cultural thing.

So, in short, it's not RUDE, because you do not exist to them as a person until you have been introduced to them. Obligations arise within relationships. No overarching cultural mandate from religion (love thy neighbour, be a good samaritan, etc). And in a nation of cities crowded with millions of strangers, people just try to get by, literally they just tried to GET BY you. No need for politeness here, just get on with things. If you get upset at them for their "rudeness"" they'd just look puzzled, don't understand what's wrong because they don't perceive any obligation toward strangers whatsoever.

This is NOT Kansas.


No, it's not rude. It's just a horrible, disgusting and subhuman way to live your life. I know people will jump all over me for being ethnocentric or racist (which makes no sense because I'm commenting on the culture which is man-made and changeable, not the race). But enough of this moral relativity crap. Not considering strangers to be worthy of human dignity is akin to not considering any group of people as human (ie black people, women, gays) and it is wrong, I don't care where you're from. I'm not even saying all or most Koreans think this way, but it is a part of their Confucism which I find offensive and out-dated.
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farfromhome



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Get out of my elevator Reply with quote

Mr. BlackCat wrote:
Louis VI wrote:
So, in short, it's not RUDE, because you do not exist to them as a person until you have been introduced to them. Obligations arise within relationships. No overarching cultural mandate from religion (love thy neighbour, be a good samaritan, etc). And in a nation of cities crowded with millions of strangers, people just try to get by, literally they just tried to GET BY you. No need for politeness here, just get on with things. If you get upset at them for their "rudeness"" they'd just look puzzled, don't understand what's wrong because they don't perceive any obligation toward strangers whatsoever.


No, it's not rude. It's just a horrible, disgusting and subhuman way to live your life. I know people will jump all over me for being ethnocentric or racist (which makes no sense because I'm commenting on the culture which is man-made and changeable, not the race). But enough of this moral relativity crap. Not considering strangers to be worthy of human dignity is akin to not considering any group of people as human (ie black people, women, gays) and it is wrong, I don't care where you're from. I'm not even saying all or most Koreans think this way, but it is a part of their Confucism which I find offensive and out-dated.


Mr. BlackCat: i agree, koreans are less than considerate in general, but Louis VI gave one of the clearest explanations as to why.

i wonder, though, if the OP's experience would have been any different had he established a relationship with each and every tenant in the officetel. Confused


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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Get out of my elevator Reply with quote

Louis VI wrote:
Bloopity Bloop wrote:
...are so in-your-face rude... Is this behavior not rude in Korea?

Obligations arise out of relationships in Korean society, so that once one meets someone one has to be polite, is really quite considerate and responsible, but there is no sense of responsibility or obligation to strangers, so people act like they don't exist, aren't considerate in the least to the feelings and situation of someone they haven't met. There's a lack of civiic duty toward others in general - it's a cultural thing.

So, in short, it's not RUDE, because you do not exist to them as a person until you have been introduced to them. Obligations arise within relationships. No overarching cultural mandate from religion (love thy neighbour, be a good samaritan, etc). And in a nation of cities crowded with millions of strangers, people just try to get by, literally they just tried to GET BY you. No need for politeness here, just get on with things. If you get upset at them for their "rudeness"" they'd just look puzzled, don't understand what's wrong because they don't perceive any obligation toward strangers whatsoever.

This is NOT Kansas.


Ask any Korean, they will tell you that it is rude and they don't like it...or maybe they are just telling me that because I have broken through that wall and they are obliged to be polite and agree with the stupid foreigner to make him feel better about himself. Rolling Eyes
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