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wjf1
Joined: 14 Apr 2010
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:04 am Post subject: How difficult did you find the teaching at first? |
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I have taught for six hours (with mature students) on a TEFL course, but I'm guessing teaching Elementary school children in Korea is a different proposition completely. On my course I didn't really have to dish out any discipline so I have no experience as far as that is concerned.
How hard did you find the teaching when you first started? Did it take a while for you to get comfortable? |
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pangaea

Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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I had taught preschool for several years before I arrived in Korea so teaching wasn't entirely new. Of course, preschool teaching is usually much more informal so being responsible for lesson plans, delivering specific material, following a timetable, and dealing with a lot of different classes as opposed to one or two was overwhelming at first. I just started teaching for my second year hear at a different school and for the first month I was really overwhelmed and stressed. I am becoming much more relaxed now and feel like I am much more organized.
I think the hardest part of beginning teaching is that you don't know the students, aren't really sure of their level, and don't have a great idea yet of what they will really respond to in the classroom. I also found it difficult at first to fill out a lesson. I don't know how much leeway you will have at your school. Some schools plan every minute for you and some leave it open for you to come up with activities. At my school, I have a schedule that I follow for each class and they have certain things they are supposed to learn for tests, but how I deliver the lesson and any activities I use to supplement the class are basically up to me. I actually prefer it this way because it gives me more freedom and I can make the class more interesting. However, some lessons have been two pages in a book consisting of four sentences that I had to expand to fill 50 minutes. It's actually not that bad once you get to know your students and start finding activities that they like to do.
One thing that I have found is very helpful is to always have extra activities planned. I keep word searches, crossword puzzles, and other word puzzles handy just in case I run out of material and still have time left. Of course, word searches and crosswords are also great to use as a planned activity to help students learn vocabulary and practice reading and writing. The great thing about elementary students is that they still enjoy these kinds of activities and the challenge will keep them focused. In a pinch, you can also have them draw and label pictures. Most of my elementary kids love to draw and I can make it part of the lesson for them to draw their houses, families, favorite toy, favorite animal, etc., then write as much as they can about what they drew.
So far, I haven't had too many problems with discipline. Keeping the kids busy with activities really helps. I've also started a star system with one particularly rowdy class. In each class they can earn several stars. I start them out with 4 stars. I erase stars if they have cell phones out, are talking when I'm talking, or are doing anything else to disrupt the class. When they get 30 stars, they get a snack party. I will provide the snacks but it will be something cheap. Maybe some cookies, chips, juice, etc. It helps keep the kids focused and it's a small price to pay for some sanity in the class. I'm not sure how feasible that would be if you work for a public school with a lot of students. I work in a hagwon with 10 students or less so that kind of plan can work for me.
I think in both of my schools, it took me about a month to start feeling really comfortable teaching. It has taken me that long to get to know the students, start learning all of their names (though I still don't know them all), and come up with a system to stay organized. It also takes a little time to hit on which teaching methods will work for each class. Sometimes I deliver a lesson that falls flat or I feel like the class wasn't as organized as it should have been. I just consider that a learning experience and change what I do for the next class.
Anyway, hope this helps. I am teaching elementary and middle school kids now. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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I found it difficult at first. I was thrown in a classroom with a tape and a textbook a day after arriving. I was jet lagged and culture shocked and I had never taught before, except subbing. I wasn't given any guidance or a chance to observe other teachers. I am also from New Jersey, so naturally, I talk very fast. I didn't smile enough (due to me being exhausted because of the time difference), so the kids complained. My boss told me to talk slower and smile more. So I did. I figured out how to work the tape player after a couple of classes.
After a few weeks, I was able to develop a good rapport with the students and other teachers. If my director told me to change something, I did it. By the second month I was cruising. I had developed my own positive behavior intervention system. Looking back on that, I was really proud of it because now that I have my MA in Elementary Ed and a teacher's license it is something I now learned had already been created and proven as a great way to motivate students and manage a classroom. And I figured it out all on my own!
It definitely wasn't easy at first. Smiling at your students when you first meet them will really put them at ease. Focus on learning about them before you worry about teaching skills. Incorporate cultural exchanges where you learn about each other into your lessons. Develop positive relationships with them and your coworkers and then worry about the actual teaching next. Then develop your own style. That's what worked for me.
Edit: Above post makes a great point about pacing. That is probably one of the hardest things for new teachers to master. Remember to include time to give instructions, model what you want them to do and then check to make sure they understand assignments/activities before you start. The language barrier makes giving directions challenging, especially if the students have no background about what you are about to do. In the beginning (and even after you master it), always over plan for lessons. Don't let students be idle in the classroom. That will really cause troublesome behavior. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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pangaea wrote: |
So far, I haven't had too many problems with discipline. Keeping the kids busy with activities really helps. I've also started a star system with one particularly rowdy class. In each class they can earn several stars. I start them out with 4 stars. I erase stars if they have cell phones out, are talking when I'm talking, or are doing anything else to disrupt the class. When they get 30 stars, they get a snack party.
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Pangaea, that is similar to what I did. Teachers have to be careful not to take away stars for one student having their phone out. That can cause animosity between classmates.
Also, be careful taking things away in general. It is usually better to just reinforce and identify the positive behavior by rewarding it. Like at the beginning of class, identify the specific behavior you are happy with. Say something like, "Wow, I am really impressed that you all don't have your phones out today and are ready to learn." If you do that for the first few weeks of class, they will learn the right behavior. Then, eventually, they will remind you to give them stars when you forget to reward them. Then your reminding and rewarding them and then reminding you will kind of just go away after a while and it will just become an expected routine that no one argues about.
If they are doing something that is not what is expected try saying things like, "Jeez, I really wanted to give you a star but you guys have your phones out. (Negative reinforcement, without being punishment) Maybe tomorrow I can give you a star at the beginning of class when we get started. (ending on a positive note)" This will make them put their phones away now, and serve as a reminder for what positive behavior you expect of them tomorrow.
If your students have a really rough day behavior wise what will you do if you run out of stars to take away? That is why I try to avoid the subtraction systems. |
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pangaea

Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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jrwhite82 wrote:
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Pangaea, that is similar to what I did. Teachers have to be careful not to take away stars for one student having their phone out. That can cause animosity between classmates.
Also, be careful taking things away in general. It is usually better to just reinforce and identify the positive behavior by rewarding it. Like at the beginning of class, identify the specific behavior you are happy with. Say something like, "Wow, I am really impressed that you all don't have your phones out today and are ready to learn." If you do that for the first few weeks of class, they will learn the right behavior. Then, eventually, they will remind you to give them stars when you forget to reward them. Then your reminding and rewarding them and then reminding you will kind of just go away after a while and it will just become an expected routine that no one argues about.
If they are doing something that is not what is expected try saying things like, "Jeez, I really wanted to give you a star but you guys have your phones out. (Negative reinforcement, without being punishment) Maybe tomorrow I can give you a star at the beginning of class when we get started. (ending on a positive note)" This will make them put their phones away now, and serve as a reminder for what positive behavior you expect of them tomorrow.
If your students have a really rough day behavior wise what will you do if you run out of stars to take away? That is why I try to avoid the subtraction systems. |
That is a good point and something I will probably try. I've only been doing stars with them for a week or two because I was really starting to dislike that particular class. They are upper elementary students and the constant talking, disruption, and ignoring of classroom rules was starting to get to me. The head teacher also told me that 2 parents complained that the class was too noisy for their kids to learn. I have only had them for a month and I am not the only person who teaches the class so I didn't take it personally. It's something that all the teachers are working on. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Try having a discussion about what rules they feel should be incorporated also. Give them some power in making some of the rules AND consequences. This will make them more likely to follow them.
I had a really rough group of kids during my internship. I tried EVERYTHING in the book with them. My mentor and I spent hours brainstorming ideas that we could try. Some of it worked for a while, some didn't. You have to just keep trying different stuff. |
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pangaea

Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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jrwhite82 wrote:
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Try having a discussion about what rules they feel should be incorporated also. Give them some power in making some of the rules AND consequences. This will make them more likely to follow them. |
I did that with them a few weeks ago. They know what the rules are, they just have trouble following them. I think it's a combination of testing limits, boredom, adolescent moodiness, and a touch of silliness that causes all the behavior problems. The class is doing better now that I've adapted to the book they are using and I have structured activities to keep them busy during the entire class. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:29 am Post subject: |
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If you have no previous teaching experience or training the hardest part will be classroom management and control.
No way around that.
Classroom management is crucial and without it everything becomes more complicated as you learn.
Bascially, initially you need to plan more than less. Overpreparing at that stage is your friend.
Managing kids in a class is not easy when youn have never done it. You WILL take things personally at first when you should not. That can be very frustrating.
Basically you need to establish some clear rules for your class. Have those posted in writing on the whiteboard or classroom door. The first time you meet students explain these rules and then, this is the hardest part, be CONSISTANT and apply these rules. This can make for a few stricter lessons but then the payoff is huge.
Rules do not mean no fun. Rules mean lines of conduct that will channel your students behaviour. Then you can afford to have fun in class and wander off the lesson path for short periods as the kids will know the rules.
Another key element is time managment. A 40, 50 minute class can look short and end up looking endless if you do not manage your time properly before class with a lesson plan.
Allocate time for the goals you need to meet in the class. This will break down the lesson in smaller chunks and help you manage things better. It does not matter if you go over or short with one segment. What matters is you will know where you are in the lesson at all times and so will your kids.
If your kids are older, post the lesson sections on the board.
Have the kids be active participants in classroom activities, if they are old enough have them suggest activities or topics.
Keep a note book handy or laptop and jot down what worked and did not work after each lesson or at the end of the day. Do this for the first few weeks at least. This will be a great lessons learned tool and when you see similar issues show up often you know to make changes.
If there are more experienced teachers at your school...hit them up for advice!
Go online and research classroom management, classroom activities....
Allow yourself some time to learn about teaching and do not shoot yourself down too much when you hit the wall (you will...every inexperienced teacher does).
School provided books are a starting point. You can ALWAYS and in fact should adapt them to your classes and look for places to improve them. |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:45 am Post subject: Re: How difficult did you find the teaching at first? |
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wjf1 wrote: |
I have taught for six hours (with mature students) on a TEFL course, but I'm guessing teaching Elementary school children in Korea is a different proposition completely. On my course I didn't really have to dish out any discipline so I have no experience as far as that is concerned. |
You will survive.
You will learn.
It will get better.
But expect it to be absolute hell. If your expectations are anything less than complete and utter hell, you will be disappointed.
Be prepared for a good number of your students trying to shove both of their index fingers up your anus.....and I only wish I was kidding. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:15 am Post subject: Re: How difficult did you find the teaching at first? |
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pangaea

Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:17 am Post subject: |
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air76 wrote:
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Be prepared for a good number of your students trying to shove both of their index fingers up your anus.....and I only wish I was kidding. |
The dong chim makes me furious. There is no reason on earth why this should be tolerated, yet it is somehow being passed on to new generations of kids. I've only had it tried on me once or twice when I taught kindergarten and young elementary kids. I made it very clear that I did not like it and it was not to happen again. Word must have spread, because it didn't. |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:25 am Post subject: Re: How difficult did you find the teaching at first? |
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languistic wrote: |
Some people naturally command more respect. If the children see you as a fool - and children do have a knack for spotting such things - they will treat you as one. |
I command plenty of respect Mr. EFL.....I don't care what you say, if you've never taught children in your life, never worked with children in your life, have virtually no training whatsoever, and you're thrown into a variety of classrooms filled with candy-filled, snotty little spoiled Korean kids, it is going to be hell for a while until you figure it out a bit.
A lot of people come over here in that same situation and I seriously doubt the kids just sniff something in the air with 10% of these complete noobs that cause them to sit down and behave so that they can study English in earnest. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:35 am Post subject: Re: How difficult did you find the teaching at first? |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:43 am Post subject: Re: How difficult did you find the teaching at first? |
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languistic wrote: |
Where do your doubts come from?
Working from the same ill-logic as you, I would say 10% is a fair representation of people who can command a classroom well by their nature alone. Honestly, of all the people I have met here over the years, a stark few have actually come across as the type of person who carries themselves with an air of self-respect that radiates onto others. Some people just don't get messed with while others are carpets. |
Fine...so you've just proven my point...if you're not part of that 10% of lucky suckers with "the scent" then your first few months of work will be hell if you've never taught kids before.
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:06 am Post subject: |
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pangaea wrote: |
jrwhite82 wrote:
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Try having a discussion about what rules they feel should be incorporated also. Give them some power in making some of the rules AND consequences. This will make them more likely to follow them. |
I did that with them a few weeks ago. They know what the rules are, they just have trouble following them. I think it's a combination of testing limits, boredom, adolescent moodiness, and a touch of silliness that causes all the behavior problems. The class is doing better now that I've adapted to the book they are using and I have structured activities to keep them busy during the entire class. |
That's a great thing to do. Did you try posting them up. Also instead of just talking about them, let them make a few up. Keep your few Cardinal Rules that are nonnegotiable, but let them make a few for themselves.
And that is exactly the number one most important thing, structure and keeping them busy. You sound like a good teacher. |
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