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indramayu
Joined: 29 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:48 pm Post subject: Swearing from a rap song |
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When Koreans swear, it sounds like they are quoting a rap song...and a dated one at that. Combined with incorrect syllable stress....quite humourous.
Why didn't I marry a Japanese? Of the Japanese I've met, way too polite and focussed on manners & etiquette. Methinks the most polite nation on the planet.
I think this focus on "respect" and "face" is a sham and diversion. People say they are demanding respect and face but, actually, they want something else (a greater discount, more money (or something else), another favour, etc). There's always a hidden agenda. I wish I could think of examples to better flesh this out.
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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I think the vast amount of alcohol they consume, coupled with a miserable, duty-laden existence contributes to their volatile behaviour.
Sometimes watching them lose it is pure gold. I saw a women screaming at her fella, and threatening to lay him out with a plastic chair. This was around 3pm outside a Family Mart.
100% quality entertainment. |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I am down with the freak-outs. They are pretty amusing. It is the seeming inability to seperate emotion from anything that can be strange. I know a Korean woman who was in tears in Japan because she was working as a translator and had to translate a speech about Dok-do.
First off, it is very unprofessional. She was being paid to perform a service, but wouldn't because of the opinion of the speaker. Second, it is a legal and international issue, not an emotional issue. Koreans get so worked up about it. I understand national pride and all that, but they are being manipulated by their own leaders. Korean electoral strategy 101 - drum up anti-something sentiment with a dash of long time enemy thrown in = winning election. Same everywhere i guess.
People get angry when I tell them my stand on Dok-do. It is absolutely Korean land. However, it is Korean land because the USA drew the maps of Japan and Korea after WW2 and said it is Korea's. That always gets some confusing emotions going! |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans have to outdo each other in rage-level and shouting volume when they're in an argument.
He who gets crazy the most will usually win the argument as others will appease him to make this horrible exhibition of emotion end. |
There's your answer. I've seen men standing face to face inches apart yelling, but they don't touch each other. He who yells loudest wins, the other guy walks away.
It's funny if you watch a Korean vs. Foreigner. The Korean will start his yelling, the foreigner will yell, Korean yells, foreigner hits him. The look on the Korean's face is shock. Then they back away, and apologize.
All bark, no bite. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
It's funny if you watch a Korean vs. Foreigner. The Korean will start his yelling, the foreigner will yell, Korean yells, foreigner hits him. The look on the Korean's face is shock. Then they back away, and apologize.
All bark, no bite. |
I've yelled at a few extremely aggressive and obnoxious Koreans--who completely deserved it, but I'd never hit anyone unless they struck me first. The only exception is if some idiot driver bumped into me while going around a corner when the green walk sign was still on. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| NilesQ wrote: |
I am down with the freak-outs. They are pretty amusing. It is the seeming inability to seperate emotion from anything that can be strange. I know a Korean woman who was in tears in Japan because she was working as a translator and had to translate a speech about Dok-do.
First off, it is very unprofessional. She was being paid to perform a service, but wouldn't because of the opinion of the speaker. Second, it is a legal and international issue, not an emotional issue. Koreans get so worked up about it. I understand national pride and all that, but they are being manipulated by their own leaders. Korean electoral strategy 101 - drum up anti-something sentiment with a dash of long time enemy thrown in = winning election. Same everywhere i guess.
People get angry when I tell them my stand on Dok-do. It is absolutely Korean land. However, it is Korean land because the USA drew the maps of Japan and Korea after WW2 and said it is Korea's. That always gets some confusing emotions going! |
So if you were forced to translate something written by David Duke to serve as propaganda you wouldn't be a little emotionally conflicted?
I mean in her frame of mind that basically made her like a Collaborator back in the 30s. That is not an easy pill to swallow. |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| NilesQ wrote: |
I am down with the freak-outs. They are pretty amusing. It is the seeming inability to seperate emotion from anything that can be strange. I know a Korean woman who was in tears in Japan because she was working as a translator and had to translate a speech about Dok-do.
First off, it is very unprofessional. She was being paid to perform a service, but wouldn't because of the opinion of the speaker. Second, it is a legal and international issue, not an emotional issue. Koreans get so worked up about it. I understand national pride and all that, but they are being manipulated by their own leaders. Korean electoral strategy 101 - drum up anti-something sentiment with a dash of long time enemy thrown in = winning election. Same everywhere i guess.
People get angry when I tell them my stand on Dok-do. It is absolutely Korean land. However, it is Korean land because the USA drew the maps of Japan and Korea after WW2 and said it is Korea's. That always gets some confusing emotions going! |
So if you were forced to translate something written by David Duke to serve as propaganda you wouldn't be a little emotionally conflicted?
I mean in her frame of mind that basically made her like a Collaborator back in the 30s. That is not an easy pill to swallow. |
Very poor comparison. Collaborators were under the control of the Japanese and feared for their lives and livelihood. She went to Japan of her own free will and signed a contract to work for the Japanese government. My main point is that they don't take the time to even consider that this is an international legal issue. There are mechanisms in place to solve these things. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| NilesQ wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| NilesQ wrote: |
I am down with the freak-outs. They are pretty amusing. It is the seeming inability to seperate emotion from anything that can be strange. I know a Korean woman who was in tears in Japan because she was working as a translator and had to translate a speech about Dok-do.
First off, it is very unprofessional. She was being paid to perform a service, but wouldn't because of the opinion of the speaker. Second, it is a legal and international issue, not an emotional issue. Koreans get so worked up about it. I understand national pride and all that, but they are being manipulated by their own leaders. Korean electoral strategy 101 - drum up anti-something sentiment with a dash of long time enemy thrown in = winning election. Same everywhere i guess.
People get angry when I tell them my stand on Dok-do. It is absolutely Korean land. However, it is Korean land because the USA drew the maps of Japan and Korea after WW2 and said it is Korea's. That always gets some confusing emotions going! |
So if you were forced to translate something written by David Duke to serve as propaganda you wouldn't be a little emotionally conflicted?
I mean in her frame of mind that basically made her like a Collaborator back in the 30s. That is not an easy pill to swallow. |
Very poor comparison. Collaborators were under the control of the Japanese and feared for their lives and livelihood. She went to Japan of her own free will and signed a contract to work for the Japanese government. My main point is that they don't take the time to even consider that this is an international legal issue. There are mechanisms in place to solve these things. |
And maybe some of us fail to consider that there are issues beyond 'just doing your job' and international law.
I mean have some understanding. As a human being one should be able to look at this issue and at least sympathize with the person involved. It's in the past and Japan now is not the Japan of yesteryear, but still...
I mean if you were Polish and you were asked in 2010 to write a paper supporting German claims over Danzig you mean to tell me you wouldn't at least be a little emotionally conflicted? Just as Germany today is nothing like Germany of 1940 and same with Japan and its just an international law issue, still I think its a little crass for someone to just judge someone in that kind of situation.
I just don't see the need to be super harsh over this situation. I mean say she weren't emotionally involved at all, wouldn't that be kinda worrisome as well?
For those of us who aren't from formerly occupied countries to judge those who are from occupied countries and their reactions seems to me a little sanctimonious. It's a whole nother ball game when your heritage is that. |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| NilesQ wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| NilesQ wrote: |
I am down with the freak-outs. They are pretty amusing. It is the seeming inability to seperate emotion from anything that can be strange. I know a Korean woman who was in tears in Japan because she was working as a translator and had to translate a speech about Dok-do.
First off, it is very unprofessional. She was being paid to perform a service, but wouldn't because of the opinion of the speaker. Second, it is a legal and international issue, not an emotional issue. Koreans get so worked up about it. I understand national pride and all that, but they are being manipulated by their own leaders. Korean electoral strategy 101 - drum up anti-something sentiment with a dash of long time enemy thrown in = winning election. Same everywhere i guess.
People get angry when I tell them my stand on Dok-do. It is absolutely Korean land. However, it is Korean land because the USA drew the maps of Japan and Korea after WW2 and said it is Korea's. That always gets some confusing emotions going! |
So if you were forced to translate something written by David Duke to serve as propaganda you wouldn't be a little emotionally conflicted?
I mean in her frame of mind that basically made her like a Collaborator back in the 30s. That is not an easy pill to swallow. |
Very poor comparison. Collaborators were under the control of the Japanese and feared for their lives and livelihood. She went to Japan of her own free will and signed a contract to work for the Japanese government. My main point is that they don't take the time to even consider that this is an international legal issue. There are mechanisms in place to solve these things. |
And maybe some of us fail to consider that there are issues beyond 'just doing your job' and international law.
I mean have some understanding. As a human being one should be able to look at this issue and at least sympathize with the person involved. It's in the past and Japan now is not the Japan of yesteryear, but still...
I mean if you were Polish and you were asked in 2010 to write a paper supporting German claims over Danzig you mean to tell me you wouldn't at least be a little emotionally conflicted? Just as Germany today is nothing like Germany of 1940 and same with Japan and its just an international law issue, still I think its a little crass for someone to just judge someone in that kind of situation.
I just don't see the need to be super harsh over this situation. I mean say she weren't emotionally involved at all, wouldn't that be kinda worrisome as well?
For those of us who aren't from formerly occupied countries to judge those who are from occupied countries and their reactions seems to me a little sanctimonious. It's a whole nother ball game when your heritage is that. |
I wasn't super harsh. I felt bad for her and tried to console her because I know it is an emotional issue for Koreans. I just don't understand why they make it one. I am from Canada which didn't have its constitution repatriated until 1982. A form of occupation some would say. We didn't fight against the British as the Americans did. We currently have Dok-do like island land claim disputes with Denmark, I believe, but nobody even discusses it because it is a non issue. It will get worked out.
I'm not a believer in "my cultural past/ethnicity/nationality" exempts me from rational thought as it relates to insert topic/situation here. That is allowing he same thought processes that caused those things in the first place. Nazis were sitting around saying this is our land, what are Jews doing here? Why is it ok for Koreans to approach land claims in a similar way? All emotion no rational thought. It is the Prefectural govt of Shimane that claims Dok-do, not the National Government of Japan. That would be like the Governor of Maine claiming that Newfoundland was USA's. People would laugh at him. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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My former boss hated North Korea. I asked him why, he said because his brother died fighting them.
Remember the Japanese were still in the lifetime of a good many people. I know people back home who refuse to drive Japanese cars and the like.
I agree that the past is past, but if you haven't lived it, don't judge.
I don't think the Canadian 'occupation' applies, totally different circumstances. Denmark didn't invade Canada during the lifetimes of a good number of people still living.
After all the old people who lived through it and its immediate aftermath die out then there should be no excuse, but for the short term one should understand the animosity, though never condone hatred or outright racism.
I mean I'm sure your friend was pretty open-minded when it came to things like Japanese friends her age, Japanese food, Japanese music, history, etc. But when asked to support Japan over her homeland on an issue that dates back to the occupation and collaboration it can be pretty conflicting.
Territorial disputes between friends can be resolved pretty amicably. Between historically hostile neighbors, well that is different.
I mean it would kinda be naive to assume that everything is going to be peaceful (not that naive, but you never know). At the same time if she wasn't emotionally conflicted at all wouldn't that be a little cause for concern as well? |
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I am from Canada which didn't have its constitution repatriated until 1982. |
Where had it been until 1982? |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| NilesQ wrote: |
| I am from Canada which didn't have its constitution repatriated until 1982. |
Where had it been until 1982? |
It existed as an act of British Parliament |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I mean I'm sure your friend was pretty open-minded when it came to things like Japanese friends her age, Japanese food, Japanese music, history, etc. But when asked to support Japan over her homeland on an issue that dates back to the occupation and collaboration it can be pretty conflicting. |
This is my whole point. She wasn't asked to support Japan over her homeland. She was asked to translate what a Japanese person was saying about a territorial dispute involving her homeland into Korean. How is a dialogue ever supposed to occur if someone won't translate the things people are saying about this topic? |
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