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pangaea
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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 Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: Watched Food, Inc. last night |
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| And now I feel a little sick and disturbed and angry. And I might have nightmares about the sound some of those chickens made when they were about to be slaughtered. I swear it sounded like they were saying, "No, no,no, no,no." |
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Missihippi
Joined: 22 Oct 2007
Location: Gwangmyeong
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| i made some delicious chicken wings last night.. homeade spicy buffalo sauce.. Slap yo mama it was good! Tonight, i got a steak marinating in the fridge in horstershire(sp?) sauce. Might wrap it in bacon and grill it up. We'll see what my mood dictates. MMMmmmmeat |
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
Location: Somewhere
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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I watched that movie. I was eating a nice big steak at the time  |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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I turned it off half way through. It was standard Michael Moore style shtick.
"OOOHH! look at the big bad corporations!" Shock, horror.
Nothing new. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Senior wrote: |
I turned it off half way through. It was standard Michael Moore style shtick.
"OOOHH! look at the big bad corporations!" Shock, horror.
Nothing new. |
I would have thought you'd be more supportive of this video, given the director has gone on record saying that he feels the system is only possible because of inappropriate government subsidization of the industry, and thus really ultimately blames the government.
Here's the exact quote: "We have nothing but the utmost respect for farmers, but the whole system is made possible by government subsidies to a few huge crops like corn. It's a form of socialism that's making us sick. Look, the farmers were asked to provide us with more and more food, and they did a great job." Support for private farmers, condemnation for government policy which he feels led to bad results. Sounds exactly like your position on the matter. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
I turned it off half way through. It was standard Michael Moore style shtick.
"OOOHH! look at the big bad corporations!" Shock, horror.
Nothing new. |
I would have thought you'd be more supportive of this video, given the director has gone on record saying that he feels the system is only possible because of inappropriate government subsidization of the industry, and thus really ultimately blames the government. |
I didn't get that vibe from the movie. In fact I got the exact opposite picture ie "the govt needs to do MORE!"
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| Here's the exact quote: "We have nothing but the utmost respect for farmers, but the whole system is made possible by government subsidies to a few huge crops like corn. It's a form of socialism that's making us sick. Look, the farmers were asked to provide us with more and more food, and they did a great job." Support for private farmers, condemnation for government policy which he feels led to bad results. Sounds exactly like your position on the matter. |
Sounds all right to me. Plays into my prejudices quite nicely. 
Better give it the benefit of the doubt and finish it. |
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pangaea
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Missihippi wrote:
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i made some delicious chicken wings last night.. homeade spicy buffalo sauce.. Slap yo mama it was good! Tonight, i got a steak marinating in the fridge in horstershire(sp?) sauce. Might wrap it in bacon and grill it up. We'll see what my mood dictates. MMMmmmmeat |
Italy 37612 wrote:
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I watched that movie. I was eating a nice big steak at the time |
I had chicken just the other night. And I had a hamburger last weekend. If you prefer to just taunt people rather than have an intelligent discussion, try another thread.
I have been exposed to these issues before so I haven't been totally ignorant about how our food is produced. I just honestly haven't been aware of the damage done to animals, farmers, consumers and the environment.
I was disturbed by the whole factory aspect of animal and crop production. Keeping genetically modified chickens in lightless, enclosed buildings. Rolling baby chicks down a conveyer belt. Keeping pigs and cows in concrete enclosures, forcing them to eat food that they are biologically not suited to eat, then herding the terrified animals to their deaths. Before anyone starts, yes I know these particular images were shown for effect. But no one can reasonably argue that the animals we eat are kept in sunlit fields full of clover, then lulled to sleep with lullabies before being killed for food.
I think the amount of control corporations have to evade health and safety regulations and control what people can say about the food they eat is criminal. I also think it's ridiculous that one company can basically own a plant. It did raise serious questions as to whether the food I buy at the store, especially meat, is really safe for consumption.
If anyone has a take on this, I'm interested in hearing opinions. |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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I can relate, Pangea. I haven't seen Food Inc., but from what you've described it sounds a lot like a book I read a few months ago: Eating Animals by Jonahtan Safran Foer.
After reading the book, I stopped eating land meat and sky meat. Let me say that at the time I was consuming a serving of meat about once every two weeks, I wasn't really craving meat, and my boyfriend is a vego so we never eat meat at home. In fact, it's been over 4 years since I last cooked meat at home. So once I finished reading that book I decided to stop eating land and sky meat in totality. I still eat eggs, dairy, and seafood.
I was really bothered by my passive meat eating (at school and stuff), and I think it's a fair thing to just stop eating meat if you feel like it. I love food, love cooking, and there are so many endless otpions that I find myself not really missing meat, it's more the convenience of eating it in a place like Korea that I miss, but I can deal with that.
In the three months since I quit land and sky meat I feel a lot better, have shed a few kilo, and my poos are totally regular! (that last bit is a real bonus of avoiding red meat IMO.) |
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Missihippi
Joined: 22 Oct 2007
Location: Gwangmyeong
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| pangaea wrote: |
I think the amount of control corporations have to evade health and safety regulations and control what people can say about the food they eat is criminal. I also think it's ridiculous that one company can basically own a plant. It did raise serious questions as to whether the food I buy at the store, especially meat, is really safe for consumption.
If anyone has a take on this, I'm interested in hearing opinions. |
I come from an agricultural dependant family and i have worked on various farms including poultry and pigs. It's a hard, dirty business and not many people want to do it. There is plenty of FDA regulation and major farms are routinely checked by safety officials. I'm sure there is always a "better way" to do something, but as long as the demand for stable, low priced meat is out there, you won't see any major changes.. it just costs too much. I've personally slaughtered many farm animals and the act of taking another creatures life isn't pleasant for most, but it is necessary to feed the masses.
Honostly, i think people who don't eat meat for the sake of the animal's welfare need to take up a more important cause. Sure, activism helps keep big brother in line, but just watching a documentary and forming a close minded opinion is fodder. |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Honostly, i think people who don't eat meat for the sake of the animal's welfare need to take up a more important cause. Sure, activism helps keep big brother in line, but just watching a documentary and forming a close minded opinion is fodder. |
Animal welfare is but one of the reasons eating factory-farmed meat is questionable. Other issues must be considered. In no order of importance the issues I'm thinking of are; environmental (sewage runoff, carbon emissions from the slaughter and shipment of meat, etc), and social (airborne illnesses among slaughterhouse workers and their families/communities, threat to small-scale humane farms, behavioural problems among workers ~ due to exposure to daily brutality.)
These are but a few I can think of. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| It's also insipid unhealthy meat. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you so much for the movie recommendation, OP. I'm in China, don't have a computer yet, have to use a wangba (PC bang) and can't get torrents right now. So I'm using youku.com and found said movie on there. I'll also watch Super Size Me. Never seen it. |
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Missihippi
Joined: 22 Oct 2007
Location: Gwangmyeong
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| It's also insipid unhealthy meat. |
Taste is your opinion.. unhealthy? prove it. |
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Missihippi
Joined: 22 Oct 2007
Location: Gwangmyeong
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| prideofidaho wrote: |
| Missihippi wrote: |
| Honostly, i think people who don't eat meat for the sake of the animal's welfare need to take up a more important cause. Sure, activism helps keep big brother in line, but just watching a documentary and forming a close minded opinion is fodder. |
Animal welfare is but one of the reasons eating factory-farmed meat is questionable. Other issues must be considered. In no order of importance the issues I'm thinking of are; environmental (sewage runoff, carbon emissions from the slaughter and shipment of meat, etc), and social (airborne illnesses among slaughterhouse workers and their families/communities, threat to small-scale humane farms, behavioural problems among workers ~ due to exposure to daily brutality.)
These are but a few I can think of. |
Couldn't this be said for any kind of food? I remember recently reading about a breakout of e.coli in lettuce. When i was still living state-side two years ago, a lot of food chains pulled tomatos for the same reason. If we asked "what-if's" about everything we eat or do we would all look like bubble boy.  |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I think we already live in the bubble, some of us are opting to step out and make our own choices. |
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