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eljuero
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: Korea Times article-tighter visa regulations/foreign menace! |
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I just saw this article this morning regarding visa regulations and the foreign "horde".
Other references to this "issue" are posted here at Dave's and as I recall at the Brian in Jeollam-do site (no doubt other sites as well).
I just laughed when I saw the time frame suggested by the lawmaker for Criminal background checks. I just can't imagine tons of problems.
Discuss!!
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/07/117_69194.html[/url] |
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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English teachers are assumed guilty prior to the award of a visa. I am confident that Korea will amend the visa laws to best suit those working and living in Korea. However, I have to ask how will the bill ensure the following would occur or not? Correct me if I am wrong, isn't Korea checking the background before teachers arrive in Korea? Vis a vis, how can one assume that a teacher without a criminal blemish not sexually harrass children or adults? A typical knee-jerk reaction at best.
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"Recently, a native English teacher, suspected of having sexually harassed children, resigned and left for Japan before the police could question him. Although the man who taught English at a primary school in Daegu denied the allegations, additional allegations have been made by parents and children." |
On a final note, perhaps the person above (who is not guilty) was fed up of being made a scapegoat for "you touched Miss Kim's shoulder" and decided to leave Korea once the parents joined the bandwagon.
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sulperman
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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I personally am all for keeping child-molesting pieces of human excrement away from kids....and unlike many other people, I don't mind jumping through extra hoops for the sake of the kids. But yeah, her idea is dumb, dumb, dumb. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of Dumb...
check out the reporter |
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Somewhere
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think you need a IQ below 70 to be a journalist or write legislation in this country. |
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oskinny1

Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Location: Right behind you!
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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sulperman wrote: |
I personally am all for keeping child-molesting pieces of human excrement away from kids....and unlike many other people, I don't mind jumping through extra hoops for the sake of the kids. But yeah, her idea is dumb, dumb, dumb. |
I don't think anyone actually minds doing it, it is just that they keep changing what we are supposed to do.
What she wants us to do now is exactly what we are doing except for the criminal background check to be less than 1 month old. Considering it can take 2 months get get one, by the time it is in our possession it may already be out of date.
She's just grandstanding and the idiot at the KT is obliging her. |
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Morticae
Joined: 06 May 2010
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Why don't they just start doing random drug testing if they are so concerned?
The 1 month suggestion is just ridiculous. Keep it as is, switch it to FBI, everything is fine. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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they should just kick all of us out and just do away with E-2 visa.  |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'm wondering where the incredible leap of logic was that makes "foreign marijuana user" equivalent to "pedophile." I'm also wondering if all Koreans are going to be subjected to a cannabis test since the "big news" items regarding sexual abuse of children are usually about the heinous crimes committed recently by Koreans. |
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Troglodyte

Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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They will never introduce the "within 1 month" CBC rule. If they DID, people would pretty much stop working at hogwans. The time frame would be too tight to get the CBC, apply for a job, get an offer, and get the paper work to them in time.
I think the reason this woman said it was to give the readers the impression that we don't already have to get a CBC. If she said "lower it from 6 months to 1 month" then people would just brush her off as the moron that she is.
Does anyone know where she got that figure of 200+ cases of theft, rape, violence, etc? I'm not saying that I don't believe it. I'm just curious if it's another case of someone making up a number, or taking a calculated guess.
Personally, I don't think that increasing the visa process is going to get Korea any better teachers than it already has. As long as demand is so high, salary is lower than what a professional teacher (PS or ELT) in an English speaking country could make, there are no career advancement opportunities, and employers here have such a bad track record, then the status quo will remain. They will continue to get the occasional good teacher who hangs around for a year (or marries a local and stays) but most people will be either recent grads who want to travel a bit or they'll get the social degenerates who have trouble integrating back home.
They aren't likely to offer a better salary, because the current rates are probably "what the market will bear", but if they cleaned up the system and rewarded teachers more with training opportunities, changes for promotion, if they took the qualified experienced teachers seriously and not just used them as a walking tape recorder, they would probably end up getting better teachers come here more often and stay here longer.
If they don't want foreigners here teaching their kids so much, then the only other option is for the Korean PS and HS teachers to properly teach and motivate their students to learn. At present, the kids (and often adults) don't WANT to learn. They want an easier solution. If they could download it into their brains without any effort, they'd do that instead.
Actually there IS another option. They could simply close the boarders completely and ignore the outside world. They have enough fertile land and fish to support the population's food needs. They could get the occasional support from China in exchange for remaining a vassal state. Hmmm. Maybe North Korea is onto something. |
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kingasiatic88
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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sigmundsmith
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Morticae wrote: |
The 1 month suggestion is just ridiculous. Keep it as is, switch it to FBI, everything is fine. |
I never knew that someone from England, Canada, Australia etc. could get an FBI criminal background check? |
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Morticae
Joined: 06 May 2010
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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sigmundsmith wrote: |
Morticae wrote: |
The 1 month suggestion is just ridiculous. Keep it as is, switch it to FBI, everything is fine. |
I never knew that someone from England, Canada, Australia etc. could get an FBI criminal background check? |
You can get your respective national level background checks I'm sure. |
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sigmundsmith
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Morticae wrote: |
sigmundsmith wrote: |
Morticae wrote: |
The 1 month suggestion is just ridiculous. Keep it as is, switch it to FBI, everything is fine. |
I never knew that someone from England, Canada, Australia etc. could get an FBI criminal background check? |
You can get your respective national level background checks I'm sure. |
I think you missed my point - that we are not all Americans in Korea and using this site!
Know a guy who has been in Korea for 8 years - not married - on an E-2 visa. When he changes jobs has to get a CBC from their home country. Just seems more practicle if you have been here for a number of years and have already submitted a CBC from your home country in the past that you should submit one from Korean authorities.
Then the question would be asked is how long do you live in Korea that you should be able to just use a CBC issued by Korea?
Tricky situation. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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sigmundsmith wrote: |
Then the question would be asked is how long do you live in Korea that you should be able to just use a CBC issued by Korea?
Tricky situation. |
The answer:
You can never live here long enough.
Locals don't care if you live here one year or thirty years. If you have no ties to root you here (family/bloodline) then you just aren't welcome. |
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