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geldedgoat
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| I feel really bad for this baby and this woman. |
 I'm genuinely curious: what makes you feel the least bit bad for the mother?
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| I'd like to think that she didn't do this on purpose. |
Indeed. The papers are constantly flooded with stories of pregnant women going to the bathroom, unintentionally giving birth, and remaining completely unaware of the presence of blood, other bodily fluids, and an umbilical cord leading from their lady parts to the toilet. These things just happen. |
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jrwhite82
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'm more of hoping she is bat**** crazy and had no idea what she was doing. After unexpectedly giving birth, my cousin was so traumatized she just sat in the tub for a couple of hours until her husband woke up and found her.
Edit: So what makes me also feel bad for the mother is that something similar happened in my family. My cousin didn't try to flush her child down the toilet, but she also wasn't in the state of mind anywhere near sane.
If she was just trying to dispose of her child like a piece of excrement to avoid social judgment and/or parental duties, well then yeah, I have no sympathy what so ever. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Fair enough.
Do you mind if I ask what became of your cousin's baby? |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
Fair enough.
Do you mind if I ask what became of your cousin's baby? |
Healthy as can be. Spent a little time in the hospital and was treated to avoid any kind of infections that could have taken place due to the unsanitary environment she was born into (a freaking toilet....). Was released to her father later and now my cousins depression has gotten under control for the most part. Scary times though, she was so messed up she couldn't be left with the baby alone for quite a while. This was a few years ago, but she still has issues. I'm not sure if something else is going on there. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Mother Flushes Newborn Baby on Plane |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
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| Women have done this sort of thing all through history, including in the West until more recent times. I imagine they are simply terrified of the consequences of giving birth outside of wedlock. |
If you didn't intend to come to the defense of this woman, you may want to revisit your post and insert a few edits. If you did... 
And, this:
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| She fell pregnant during her studies[...] |
 I really question the character of individuals who approach pregnancy as if it's nothing more than a disease. |
Don't be so bloody stupid. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| I wonder what the other passengers thought. Surely giving birth is a loud, long, messy process. She would have been in the bathroom an awfully long time and came out looking terrible. This is a bit morbid, but imagine being the next one in that bathroom. |
Each birth is different. Sometimes they just slip out relatively quick and easily. Some women give birth within a few minutes of going into labour. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| I wonder what the other passengers thought. Surely giving birth is a loud, long, messy process. She would have been in the bathroom an awfully long time and came out looking terrible. This is a bit morbid, but imagine being the next one in that bathroom. |
Each birth is different. Sometimes they just slip out relatively quick and easily. Some women give birth within a few minutes of going into labour. |
Learn something new everyday. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Mother Flushes Newborn Baby on Plane |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Don't be so bloody stupid. |
I left you an out with my first response; it's unfortunate that ^this^ is all you came back with. Your comments were phrased in a manner that made them very deserving of criticism.
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| Healthy as can be. Spent a little time in the hospital and was treated to avoid any kind of infections that could have taken place due to the unsanitary environment she was born into (a freaking toilet....). Was released to her father later and now my cousins depression has gotten under control for the most part. Scary times though, she was so messed up she couldn't be left with the baby alone for quite a while. This was a few years ago, but she still has issues. I'm not sure if something else is going on there. |
I'm glad the baby made it out alright. That's definitely an oddball of a story.
Postpardum depression is such a strange and terrible disease, and I can only imagine how the nature of that birth made it that much worse. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Mother Flushes Newborn Baby on Plane |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Don't be so bloody stupid. |
I left you an out with my first response; it's unfortunate that ^this^ is all you came back with. Your comments were phrased in a manner that made them very deserving of criticism.
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Criticise me all you like. Your preachy sanctimonious nonsense is hilarious. Keep at it. Spent the morning protesting at the local abortion clinic did you? Nice.
As for berating me for using the term 'fell pregnant' - what a laugh. It's a standard phrase, and doesn't reflect on a user the way you pretend.
Tut tut! He didn't FALL asleep - sleep's not a disease! |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Mother Flushes Newborn Baby on Plane |
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Wow. I'll try one more time to have an actual discussion before ignoring your posts for the rest of the thread.
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| Criticise me all you like. Your preachy sanctimonious nonsense is hilarious. Keep at it. Spent the morning protesting at the local abortion clinic did you? Nice. |
I haven't mentioned abortion a single time in this thread. This woman didn't seek the help of a medical professional to dispose of her child; she crapped it out in an airplane bathroom and left it to die. Why would you defend that?
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| As for berating me for using the term 'fell pregnant' - what a laugh. It's a standard phrase, and doesn't reflect on a user the way you pretend. |
If you didn't intend it to be read that way, the mature response would be a simple correction, maybe with a little sarcasm thrown in. As it is, many, many feminists use the phrase "fall pregnant" in exactly the manner I described. Your other comments suggested to me that you were of like mind. If you're not, then say so and I'll retract my comment.
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| Tut tut! He didn't FALL asleep - sleep's not a disease! |
And I suppose when you fall asleep you do so as a direct result of the influence of gravity? Or, God forbid, words just might have more than one meaning? |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course I heartily approve of her actions. I flush babies down aeroplane toilets all the time. Can't think of anything better to do with them, really. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Fine, nevermind. I apologize I ever bothered you with my responses in the first place. Feel free to rag it up without further interference on my part. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Mother Flushes Newborn Baby on Plane |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Don't be so bloody stupid. |
I left you an out with my first response; it's unfortunate that ^this^ is all you came back with. Your comments were phrased in a manner that made them very deserving of criticism.
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Criticise me all you like. Your preachy sanctimonious nonsense is hilarious. Keep at it. Spent the morning protesting at the local abortion clinic did you? Nice.
As for berating me for using the term 'fell pregnant' - what a laugh. It's a standard phrase, and doesn't reflect on a user the way you pretend.
Tut tut! He didn't FALL asleep - sleep's not a disease! |
What's going on here geldecoat and big bird. Send me PMs.
We're not going to have a fight fest on here.
Have a nice day...
Thanks... |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| You got me. Everything I've said has been posted right here. If I was too offensive, let me know, and I'll avoid posting similarly in the future. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| geldedgoat wrote: |
Fair enough.
Do you mind if I ask what became of your cousin's baby? |
Healthy as can be. Spent a little time in the hospital and was treated to avoid any kind of infections that could have taken place due to the unsanitary environment she was born into (a freaking toilet....). Was released to her father later and now my cousins depression has gotten under control for the most part. Scary times though, she was so messed up she couldn't be left with the baby alone for quite a while. This was a few years ago, but she still has issues. I'm not sure if something else is going on there. |
Most likely Post-partum Psychosis. |
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