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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: Drama lesson "lazy" or passive aggressive teacher? |
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So to cut out the bitching I'll keep this short.
This is the last week of class and the 3rd graders I teach (middle school) only have 2 classes with me this week. So I'm doing an English Play class with them. I looked around for other activities Sunday night, and, while I wanted them to do something kind of free-form and creative, it's hard to find things that fit a 40 minute, 35 student class set up.
I do the class, and it goes fairly well even though it's a bit hard running from group to group to help; but there's ONE co-teacher I have (there's always one) who, I guess, was more or less upset that I hadn't consulted her about this class. However, the way that she communicated that through the head co-teacher was that the class was disorganized, or not organized enough.
I've done a ton of English-play classes in my time here, and for 35 students, this one went fairly well I thought. Would you guys consider a free-form English play class something lazy or do you think this was a co-teacher's passive aggressive way to remind me to consult her? Mind you, I did a slideshow before hand about characters, plot, etc. Another thing is that I'm not trying to use the word "lazy", but that's what unspecifically came through (in my own brain) because the head co-teacher was trying to be as vague as possible.
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chellovek

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ONE co-teacher I have (there's always one) who, I guess, was more or less upset that I hadn't consulted her about this class. |
Wow, you mean at your school people actually consult with you about your lessons?
I showed films so far this week, I dressed it up as a cultural tradition I grew up with in school. Nobody so far has said anything, though the Ethics teacher or whoever walked past and looked quite angry with me. However, people here seem leary about tangling with me over questions of culture and manners because I'm polite with the one hand while I'm an ice-queen(king) with the other  |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm of the thought: "only give as much information as asked of me." So, if you have teachers who want to be in on what you're doing in a class with their students, I'd say give them a heads up. I know if I had was a teacher in Canada and I had to deal for a Korean teacher teaching my class I'd want to know what was up. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Who cares what she thinks? Are there any consequences? If not just forget about what she said. |
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gillod
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Meh. They're always looking for a way to talk you down and secure their place in the food chain. Don't take it personally. |
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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| tanklor1 wrote: |
| I'm of the thought: "only give as much information as asked of me." So, if you have teachers who want to be in on what you're doing in a class with their students, I'd say give them a heads up. I know if I had was a teacher in Canada and I had to deal for a Korean teacher teaching my class I'd want to know what was up. |
Fair enough; that's fine. But it's like, say "give me a heads up", not "your class was disorganized and seemed lazy [although the kids had a perfectly fine time]"
Like, the way my head co-teacher talked about it you'd think I strolled in with my pants hanging half-down and showed Ren and Stimpy.
I kept the original post short, but what I didn't include was the fact that for most of the year I teach roughly 4 lessons per unit a month. For 3 of these lessons I do it half out of the book, half activities related to the book. The fourth lesson is up to me. Usually, for the 1st three lessons I don't really consult with the teachers as it's fairly rote stuff. For the 4th, if there's time, I do.
I didn't think this lesson would be a big deal because it's the last one and it's A SHORT PLAY. I thought it'd be easy for the teachers to walk in and catch on. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm assuming you just handed out scripts and had them do role plays.
Anything else would have required a lot more prep work and required that everyone else including your co-teacher was on board.
Drama is a great thing although it should never be done half ass.
If I were to do drama I would want to go all the way and have a full costume skit contest and awards for the best skit.
As for the OP I think what you do was pretty good considering the time of year. |
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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
I'm assuming you just handed out scripts and had them do role plays.
Anything else would have required a lot more prep work and required that everyone else including your co-teacher was on board.
Drama is a great thing although it should never be done half ass.
If I were to do drama I would want to go all the way and have a full costume skit contest and awards for the best skit.
As for the OP I think what you do was pretty good considering the time of year. |
I let them create their own dialogues, but limited it to 2 mins. They had 20 mins to write and make small props (just cut out guns or swords, etc), 10 minutes to memorize, and performances for 10 minutes. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: On the mainland again
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think you did fine as everyone else has said
One thing I do is send out e-mails or put lesson plans on the the co-teachers desks. I know some teachers don't even look at them. But it covers us both, especially me, if anything comes up.
On the e-mails I just say I hope this lesson plan is ok, get back to me if its not. No one has yet gotten back to me with sugestions or changes.
I worked with heaps of office politico types back home..... this is the best way that I have found to avoid hassles and to keep your head down. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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OP. You're just being reminded about who's your senior. Ignore it.
Personally, I only have song or movie classes after test season. Anything else is a waste of time and energy ( and a waste of well planned lessons). Everyone (including the K teachers) know that the kids just turn off after their tests. Most of them are traumatised - and are expecting beatings from their parents for their not 100 % test scores.
Next time - just play a movie.
Good luck. |
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crisdean
Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Seoul Special City
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| jdog2050 wrote: |
| I let them create their own dialogues, but limited it to 2 mins. They had 20 mins to write and make small props (just cut out guns or swords, etc), 10 minutes to memorize, and performances for 10 minutes. |
And your students actually did it? If I tried something like this my students would just ignore me and spend the class squawking at one another in Korean. Wow your school must be a lot better than mine.
On a side note, I'm giving your StarCraft game a go this week, so far 4 classes out of 5 really seemed to enjoy it once they got the hang of it, the fifth, well, let's just say I haven't found a lesson yet that seems to work with them. |
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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| crisdean wrote: |
| jdog2050 wrote: |
| I let them create their own dialogues, but limited it to 2 mins. They had 20 mins to write and make small props (just cut out guns or swords, etc), 10 minutes to memorize, and performances for 10 minutes. |
And your students actually did it? If I tried something like this my students would just ignore me and spend the class squawking at one another in Korean. Wow your school must be a lot better than mine.
On a side note, I'm giving your StarCraft game a go this week, so far 4 classes out of 5 really seemed to enjoy it once they got the hang of it, the fifth, well, let's just say I haven't found a lesson yet that seems to work with them. |
I know! That's what was most confusing. The kids were actually doing it, but this co-teacher was acting like it was the worst lesson in the universe.
As an aside, I did talk to my head-teacher again and it does look like this teacher was more angry that I didn't talk to her about it than anything. I can understand that, but I'm not going to play these cow-towing powertrip games, ESPECIALLY as no one has been very communicative the last couple of months because of testing and what-not.
I'm glad you enjoyed the starcraft game. I'm working on a new game. Some other posters told me it's a bit difficult just from reading the description, so hopefully I'll put up some pictures of it. It's a kind of dungeons and dragons based game. Kids really liked it. |
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crisdean
Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Seoul Special City
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| jdog2050 wrote: |
| crisdean wrote: |
| On a side note, I'm giving your StarCraft game a go this week, so far 4 classes out of 5 really seemed to enjoy it once they got the hang of it, the fifth, well, let's just say I haven't found a lesson yet that seems to work with them. |
I'm glad you enjoyed the starcraft game. I'm working on a new game. Some other posters told me it's a bit difficult just from reading the description, so hopefully I'll put up some pictures of it. It's a kind of dungeons and dragons based game. Kids really liked it. |
Ya, I was one of those skeptical posters, but after making use of the StarCraft one, I think I'll give your other game a try during summer camp (with a small class it'll probably be easier to get everyone involved). |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Did your lesson cut out the Korean teacher's portion, make less of it, or in any way embarass the KT? If your KT is normally more-or-less involved in everything, and you suddenly left the KT out of the loop, I could see how that could upset someone serious about the job...or if someone were observing the class, and not being clued in made the KT look bad...and actually, technically, complaints SHOULD go through the head teacher -- that is a problem either way -- some folks get more upset that a "peer" is "judging" them, and prefer to have someone "higher up" make the suggestions. Other folks feel differently, but I have heard from people in both camps....
Of course, as other posters have mentioned, it could just be a peeing contest, with the KT trying to establish/remind you of the boundaries, but I thought, hey, play Devil's Advocate and offer a somewhat reasonable explanation for such behavior.... |
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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Did your lesson cut out the Korean teacher's portion, make less of it, or in any way embarass the KT? If your KT is normally more-or-less involved in everything, and you suddenly left the KT out of the loop, I could see how that could upset someone serious about the job...or if someone were observing the class, and not being clued in made the KT look bad...and actually, technically, complaints SHOULD go through the head teacher -- that is a problem either way -- some folks get more upset that a "peer" is "judging" them, and prefer to have someone "higher up" make the suggestions. Other folks feel differently, but I have heard from people in both camps....
Of course, as other posters have mentioned, it could just be a peeing contest, with the KT trying to establish/remind you of the boundaries, but I thought, hey, play Devil's Advocate and offer a somewhat reasonable explanation for such behavior.... |
Fair enough, but like I said earlier no one at the school has really been communicating for the past month because of finals and what not. Mind you, I've kept my lessons very similar in approach for the past 6 months, so if she thought anything was off she could have said something.
By the way, I finally talked to her, and yeah, it's just a pissing contest because I didn't include her in a lesson that was very different. I'm basically done with this woman.
First, she said that the drama lesson was too hard. This is ridiculous for a few reasons: I'd already done it with three other classes, one of which was 1st grade, and they were all fine.
Second, she said that the students shouldn't free-write, which pissed me off. I absolutely wanted the students to free write. It's f-ing middle school. While this is hard for them, there should be no reason why 4 students with 20 minutes, should not be able to string together a 2 minute goof-off play. She thought the drama should have a context which, for me, is not drama...it's a dialogue. It's the same vein as the rote BS the kids have been doing all year. Yes, some kids were confused but they were mostly having fun.
And finally, the point at which I wrote this woman off, is where she also said that my lessons were too easy. When I asked her to come up with an example, she talked about a lesson that was made easy on purpose so the students could have fun and ALL participate instead of just the upper 2/3rds. Thing is, I usually do challenge the kids. I do a lot of stuff that's just cultural and new for them. To say that my classes are too easy is just the biggest load of garbage ever.
My middle school is pretty poor by Seoul standards. The kids come from tough homes in Gwanak-gu. What point would be made by making a lesson difficult? I try to keep to the median, but sometimes even that is too difficult, and she knows it, she even said that sticking to a median difficulty is a problem that ALL of the English teachers have.
Which brings me to my final point, that this is something new teachers should really watch out for.
New teachers: there's a certain type of teacher in Korea for whom teaching is, almost unhealthily, the only thing they've really got going in their life. These are the teachers who make your life hell and literally nothing you can do will please them. Learn to recognize these teachers quickly and avoid them as much as possible. |
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