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Fox
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 Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: Napolitano: Bush Should Have Been Indicted |
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Fox News' senior judicial analyst made some surprising remarks Saturday that may go against the grain at his conservative network.
In a interview with Ralph Nader on C-SPAN's Book TV to promote his book Lies the Government Told You, Judge Andrew Napolitano said that President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney should have been indicted for "torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrant."
The judge believes that it is a fallacy to say that the US treats suspects as innocent until proven guilty. "The government acts as if a defendant is guilty merely on the basis of an accusation," said Napolitano.
Nader was curious about how this applied to the Bush administration. "What about the more serious violations of habeas corpus," wondered Nader. "You know after 9/11 Bush rounded up thousands of them, Americans, many of them Muslim Americans or Arabic Americans and they were thrown in jail without charges. They didn't have lawyers. Some of them were pretty mistreated in New York City. You know they were all released eventually."
"Well that is so obviously a violation of the natural law, the natural right to be brought before a neutral arbiter within moments of the government taking your freedom away from you," answered Napolitano.
"So what President Bush did with the suspension of habeas corpus, with the whole concept of Guantanamo Bay, with the whole idea that he could avoid and evade federal laws, treaties, federal judges and the Constitution was blatantly unconstitutional and is some cases criminal," he continued.
"What should be the sanctions [for Bush and Cheney]?" asked Nader.
"They should have been indicted. They absolutely should have been indicted for torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrant," said Napolitano.
"I'd like to say they should be indicted for lying but believe it or not, unless you're under oath, lying is not a crime. At least not an indictable crime. It's a moral crime," he said.
This isn't the first time that Napolitano's comments have veered away from the standard talking points at Fox News. He has predicted that Arizona's controversial immigration law will be blocked by the court. Napolitano also said Arizona's governor would "bankrupt the Republican Party" fighting for the law. |
More surprised at the source than the sentiment, I suppose (though he's likely only saying it now to try to sell his book). His comment, "The government acts as if a defendant is guilty merely on the basis of an accusation," relates to a recent conversation on this forum about presumption of innocence and its importance to civilized society as well. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Napolitano: Bush Should Have Been Indicted |
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| More surprised at the source than the sentiment, I suppose (though he's likely only saying it now to try to sell his book). |
You shouldn't be. He's a Lew Rockwell style libertarian. He's against the wars, the war on drugs and the rest. Ron Paul is his most frequent guest. If RP ever made it far enough to pick a VP, AN would likely be the guy. He's had a radio show on Fox for a year or so (I never miss an episode). He will touch stories the MSM won't. For example, he's had Scott Horton (from Harpers) on a few times about American soldiers murdering detainees at G-bay in Cuba.
I think he was just given a tv show on Fox. I don't think it will last.
Here's the full interview with Nader:
http://c-spanvideo.org/program/id/225457 |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Napolitano: Bush Should Have Been Indicted |
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| mises wrote: |
| You shouldn't be. |
Maybe not, but seeing a right-leaning individual keeping on about the illegalities that occured during the Bush administration when others prefer to more or less forget about it and move on to Obama still shocks me a bit. Maybe I've become too cynical towards the political right. |
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geldedgoat
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| Now that he's out of office, the criticism towards the Bush administration is fairly high among Republicans and other conservatives. You're still unlikely, however, to hear a direct comparison between Bush and Obama that doesn't greatly favor Bush. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Napolitano: Bush Should Have Been Indicted |
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| mises wrote: |
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| More surprised at the source than the sentiment, I suppose (though he's likely only saying it now to try to sell his book). |
You shouldn't be. He's a Lew Rockwell style libertarian. He's against the wars, the war on drugs and the rest. |
Fox likely knows him from the Daily Show. I know that's how I know Nap. Stewart is MSM and his show isn't about nuance, I don't care what pretensions he makes about satirizing the Fourth Estate.
Most lawyers skew towards liberty, be it left or right. It makes sense. But once they start representing the people and HOLDING POWER, well . . . |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Napolitano: Bush Should Have Been Indicted |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Fox likely knows him from the Daily Show. |
I have to come clean, you pretty much nailed me there. Seen the fellow a bit on the Daily Show (and maybe the Colbert Report), and came to a false conclusion about the man's political views. I thought the article was somewhat interesting, but felt strange posting it without adding at least a little commentary, and spoke on what was in this case a poor assumption. I've looked into the guy somewhat since, and he seems to be pretty consistently against Bush's policies on these matters. |
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