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comm
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| At the same time I really support the right of families and neighborhoods to protect themselves. |
If only they had the desire and willpower to do so. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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this is common in Japan as well.
people simply dont want to get involved. You can get hurt or die. You can end up going to court to testify. Adults know that they virtually nothing to gain by helping a bystander. Unless that changes, nothing will change. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, maybe you should realize that I'm 100% against capital punishment. Start with that. And then continue onto the fact that I'm not against incarcerating someone for life without parole. |
And I'm all for stringing up a child rapist caught in the act right then and there and letting them hang for all to see.
Forcible Penetration Sexual crimes against young minors, no you've got to go. Not a year later, right then and there. Maybe murder of young minors too, depending on the circumstances (i.e. brutal dismemberment and torture in a serial killer fashion). War Crimes (genocide) too.
The only other thing I would consider is the fraud causing the financial ruin of family livelihoods on a large scale.
Basically crimes against communities with a focus on children get my blood up.
Or you visit Talos IV.
Other than that I'm against capital punishment. I'm against the prison-industrial complex. At the same time I really support the right of families and neighborhoods to protect themselves. |
You really can't be this ignorant. Self-defense is already legal in the US. Vigilantism is not. The rest of your post is just bloodlust. Bloodlust is the reason that vigilantism is not legal.
By the way, I don't buy that the whole country's a nation of bystanders. I have seen Koreans get involved in both Korean-on-Korean violence and Korean-on-Foreigner violence. There may be a higher percentage of bystanders than those who get involved and there may also be a higher percentage of bystanders here compared to my home country. The fact is that there are also those who are not bystanders. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Well, maybe you should realize that I'm 100% against capital punishment. Start with that. And then continue onto the fact that I'm not against incarcerating someone for life without parole. |
And I'm all for stringing up a child rapist caught in the act right then and there and letting them hang for all to see.
Forcible Penetration Sexual crimes against young minors, no you've got to go. Not a year later, right then and there. Maybe murder of young minors too, depending on the circumstances (i.e. brutal dismemberment and torture in a serial killer fashion). War Crimes (genocide) too.
The only other thing I would consider is the fraud causing the financial ruin of family livelihoods on a large scale.
Basically crimes against communities with a focus on children get my blood up.
Or you visit Talos IV.
Other than that I'm against capital punishment. I'm against the prison-industrial complex. At the same time I really support the right of families and neighborhoods to protect themselves. |
You really can't be this ignorant. Self-defense is already legal in the US. Vigilantism is not. The rest of your post is just bloodlust. Bloodlust is the reason that vigilantism is not legal.
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I'm worried about crime prevention. When it comes to sexual crimes vs. children I think knowing that if you were ever caught that death would be swift, certain, and not very pleasant would be somewhat of a deterrent.
That and if you bilked your entire company of 400 out of their pensions and livelihoods that they'd be able to lynch you might prove a deterrent.
It worked with barons, who are the equivalent of today's CEO-feudalists. If they ever grew too corrupt their peasantry might rise up and kill them. Some people only respond to force.
Fine have it your way, take the guy in to custody throw him in prison, you know where its really therapeutic and all, let him out again in 4 1/2 trusting that he's learned his lesson.
Actually throwing him in prison might not be so bad, prisoners know how to take care of child molesters. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Actually throwing him in prison might not be so bad, prisoners know how to take care of child molesters. |
More bloodlust from you. By the way, how do you plan on rewarding those prisoners for carrying out what you think is justice? After all, if they're doing the right thing, they shouldn't be punished for it, now should they? That'll bring up a nice little moral dilemma for you when those "dispensing justice" happen to be in prison for violent offenses in the first place.
What would be nice, though, is for you to stop being dishonest and pretending this crud from you is my position on the matter:
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| Fine have it your way, take the guy in to custody throw him in prison, you know where its really therapeutic and all, let him out again in 4 1/2 trusting that he's learned his lesson. |
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DrugstoreCowgirl
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Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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chellovek
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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+100 |
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shifty
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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South Africa has all the elements and complexities of the issues in this thread.
We have:
Adults who believe that their HiV status can be reversed by the raping of a virgin. This mindset surely lowers the criminal intent, since the intention is cure of disease and not wanton lust/domination/whatever.
A police force that is not really worth calling on since their efficiency is impaired by vehicle availability and general malaise.
A police force that is now predominently Black and less predisposed in taking a proactive role against their own. Bearing in mind that the haves in the populace are still the minority whites and havenots the majority blacks. And also that the unemployment rate amongst blacks is running about 35%.
The establishment of neighborhood watches. These are composed of mainly white people who are still steeped in the idea of seperate white and black areas. The whites are not particularly au fait or sympathetic with the new laws of freedom of association and of movement. Whereas the most ignorant Black is well aware of his rights to be in any neighborhood he so chooses and at any time, day or night. These rights are engraved in his mind since the laws of apartheid had denied them so rigorously.
Now how do we marry these approaches, taking the conflicting viewpoints in this thread into account? |
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The Gipkik
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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That's right. It's the anomie that soon follows people who live in big cities: feeling like an outsider, no sense of community, self-absorption, general apathy, the works. Not sure why the OP makes it sound exclusively like a Korean trait. I just read about a mugging in a Toronto subway where several witnesses stood around refusing to help the victim. The perp was finally caught, but it had nothing to do with the people at the scene. The good old CCTV cameras came to the rescue. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| This is what you get when you go with the Steelrails "justice" method. |
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nautilus
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Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
this is common in Japan as well.
people simply dont want to get involved. You can get hurt or die. You can end up going to court to testify. Adults know that they virtually nothing to gain by helping a bystander. Unless that changes, nothing will change. |
It would change though if more people got involved. Its not worth Police time to arrest a vigilante mob of a hundred people.
As in this clip of street justice in china. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALXBlAk1wKw |
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The Gipkik
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
It would change though if more people got involved. Its not worth Police time to arrest a vigilante mob of a hundred people.
As in this clip of street justice in china.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALXBlAk1wKw |
Having seen purse snatchers in Nam and China get away with it, that was very satisfying. 
However, with mobs, there's always the problem of proportionate justice. I've seen how far it can go--which usually means a rather gruesome death sentence. |
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Skipperoo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
this is common in Japan as well.
people simply dont want to get involved. You can get hurt or die. You can end up going to court to testify. Adults know that they virtually nothing to gain by helping a bystander. Unless that changes, nothing will change. |
It's common everywhere, including the West. The Bystander Effect is a universal psychological phenomena, with the vast majority of people succumbing to it given the opportunity. |
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Ukon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:21 am Post subject: |
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Beat me to it |
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flakfizer
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Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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