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[Seoulio]

"My right to swing my arms ends where my neighbours nose begins."

-Oliver Wendell Holmes-

When these guns you have a right to own are killing children and law abiding citizens, and heck even the cops think that EVERYONE they meet is pasking a gun and often shoot as a knee jerk reaction to anything in a persons hand, then an intelligent person would question this right.


When that "right" was written your racist, greedy and arrogant founding fathers needed protection from Invading England and other local thugs.

Hey I suppose some Americans still need defense from the loacl thugs who abuse the pathetic legal system America has, but far too many innocent people are dying for this right, not to mention the rights of your criminals.

The problem with America is that they have all these rights that citizens piss and moan about ( even though the government has still passed many laws to limit these freedoms claimed to be absolute) are the ones that basically destroy the peaceful and decent parts of what started off as a decent country with decent moral standards.

The criminals are afforded more righst than the victims, and the punishments are a joke. The convictions rates are a joke, so are the number of people actually caught and prosecuted for violent crime.

And yet everyone has a right to a gun even though many of these guns end up killling innocent victims or are used first and ask questions later with little or no punsihments for the carelessness of the gun owner or the shooter.

I think every gun toting, gun supporter should be asked the questions they are about stuff like that, and ask them why they think this right trumps overall public safety. What they think should be the punishment for careless idiots who allow children to have access to loaded weapons etc.

If the justice system could actually do a decent job of making sentences that actually sent a message that this crap wouldn't fly then I might feel differently about it. BUt far too often the justice system in America feels more sympathy for the careless person (oh they left a loaded weapon out, now they have to live with that guilt) than for the victim of a needless accident.

Either that or you have a situation like the columbine shooting where the kids were marginalised as "vicious" and "evil" people when they were actually teased, and ridiculed weak children who hit the breaking point of the emotional torture we all but ignore and do nothing about.

And someones right to own a gun ended in these weak and infantile children coming to class and blowing away over ten classmates ( i think it was over ten anyway)

Anyway rant over.

[pangaea]

From the "you" in your post I think I have accurately assumed that you are not American. (I'm sharp like that.) I do have to agree with you. One of the arguments in favor of gun control is that a gun kept in a person's home is much more likely to kill or injure a family member or friend than it is to be used in self-defense. There are countless cases of children being killed when they or their friends were playing with a loaded gun. When I was about 6, my brother and I were playing in my grandmother's house and found a gun under her bed. Someone had given it to her, we were hardly ever at her house, and she had forgotten about it. She got rid of it the next day.

I do have friends who own guns because it makes them feel more secure. I just think having a gun is of far less use to the average person than they think it is. If a gun is kept secured the way it should be and you are surprised by an attacker, what are the chances you have time to go to the closet and open the gun safe? My main safety concern would be someone breaking in for the purpose of raping and/or killing me. In that case, I would much prefer to have a good security system, excellent locks, a handy baseball bat, and self-defense training. Having a gun doesn't ensure your safety if you don't have time to get to it.

[Privateer]

There should be government regulations to ensure all animals are kept healthy on a healthy diet, and if that drives up prices so high that we have to drastically alter our eating habits then so be it. Unfortunately, we lack governments with the moral fibre to make tough decisions.

[pangaea]

Privateer wrote:

[Senior]

Seoulio, what makes you think the crooks who are CURRENTLY carrying illegal firearms will throw them in the trash when the new laws come in? All it will do is further make vulnerable those with the least ability to protect themselves.

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[Seoulio]

[Seoulio]

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[Seoulio]

you want to provide a link to your outlandish claim?

Just look at the millions of products that didnt exist 100 years ago, all the chemicals and preservatives that we use that slowly poison our body.

if you want to ignorantly say our food is safer just because (possibly, and I am not even saying I agree with this) that meats and dairy products have become more refined na dpossibly better than 100 years ago, then go ahead. I have long since ignored virtually anything you say on the matter as you just seem to make everything up as you go along without providing any hard evidence ( again "read this book, it explains it" is not evidence)

You seem to equate better storage with unsafe food. The food was in no way unsafe 100 years ago, but if you stupidly didnt store it right then yeah you could get bad food that you could get sick off of.

If you honestly think our food is safer perhaps you should actually watch Food inc ( again?) and educate yourself.

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[Seoulio]

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[Seoulio]

thats because we have better medicines and antibiotics and other stuff people in 1910 or sooner didnt have.

People don't generally die today as we can treat the cause and fight it with our imrpoves immune systems, this has NOTHINg to do with the food being safer or not.

Just shut up for god's sake, if you need to be told preservatives are bad then you should read a LOT more.

As for what I stated earlier it still stands, you ignore me, I will ignore you.

[Seoulio]