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The Korea is not Original fallacy
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:19 pm    Post subject: The Korea is not Original fallacy Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_patents

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/most-patent-registering-countries.html

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-patents-granted-countries-map.html

http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/most_inventive_countries

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/technology/08iht-patents.4520228.html

http://business.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/aug/04/slide-show-1-worlds-10-most-innovative-nations.htm#contentTop

http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Cisco_Innovation_Complete.pdf

South Korea is in the top 5 in most metrics. In the top 15 in all metrics. So, lets put an end to the "myth" that Koreans only copy technology and never invent anything of their own.
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chellovek



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somewhat true, man, I agree with what you're saying.

Though if you've ever watched programmes like Dragons Den on the BBC, you'll see that people don't half patent rubbish. So going on the number of patents per country is a little misleading unless we sat down and read what all the patents are for.
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crisdean



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because you have the patent on something doesn't mean you invented. Mr. Alexander Graham Bell meet Mr. Elisha Gray. Who invented the telephone? who knows, but Bell was the first to specifically patent it.
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curiousaboutkorea



Joined: 21 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I don't think many say they only copy technology. They copy it and then improve/alter it. Therefore,one can have lots of patents. What South Korea lacks is truly original inventions.
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flakfizer



Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think patents mean that much. I can hardly remember the last time I saw a US commercial for a product that didn't use the term "patented." "It's the closest shave you'll ever get thanks to its patented lift and cut technology!"
As a poster already mentioned, many patents are small improvements or adjustments made to already existing items. Is there a patent for the "kimchi refrigerator?" My guess is that there is.
Instead of looking at patent lists on the Net, I just look out my window at the cars parked along the street and the neighboring buildings. I don't see a lot of originality there. True, it is quite possible Korea made many improvements to buildings and cars that are internal that I cannot directly observe. Korea obviously makes a lot of small parts like chips and semiconductors and such, but I think many people just look around at the more visible and judge from that.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other links that don't mention anything about "patents" also consider South Korea to be one of the most innovative countries.

I'm sure those links won't change the minds of the naysayers who refuse to acknowledge that Korea DOES have originality and innovation.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How South Korea--or Singapore for that matter--is innovative is left hanging in the air. Apparently it is correlated with patents and patent pendings. From reading the links, it is pretty clear that "innovative" is being used as something of a business and economic shibboleth here and not defining the nation in truly creative terms. It's just a fancy word to push a product.

This is not to say that S. Korea doesn't have highly creative people. Of course they do. That's what people do.
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laguna



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny you mention this

I gave my brightest Korea students a homework assignment a few months back. They were to name one major invention from Korea.

Not a single one could name anything.
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curiousaboutkorea



Joined: 21 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laguna wrote:
Funny you mention this

I gave my brightest Korea students a homework assignment a few months back. They were to name one major invention from Korea.

Not a single one could name anything.


Thundersticks and roof tiles Laughing
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mayorgc



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

of course Koreans are inventive/original, it's just that other countries do it better sometimes.

I've worked in an IP lawfirm before, not all the patent applications are that impressive.
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cisco kid



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know firsthand that chaebol have huge problems getting their engineers to think outside the box.
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BoholDiver



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think about actual new inventions, not small changes. Name anything that Korea invented, other than a food item.

1 A water clock. Skippedy doodah.
2. Turtle ship. The admiral still got killed.
3. Metal printing press. Arguable.

Anything more?
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might not be quite fair to go back to the distant past to pull out inventive moments for Korea. A few hundred or thousand people that comprised the intelligentsia or the creative community back then against a tidal wave of serfs or indentured slaves isn't giving the country a chance. How about inventions that matter in the past 25 years? That might be more accurate. Thing is, that might be tough for most countries to address. Then you get into the problem of emigres in some countries like the USA getting Nobel prizes. It gets complicated.
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bluelake



Joined: 01 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:
Think about actual new inventions, not small changes. Name anything that Korea invented, other than a food item.

1 A water clock. Skippedy doodah.
2. Turtle ship. The admiral still got killed.
3. Metal printing press. Arguable.

Anything more?


Regarding #1, Korea didn't invent it--they just innovated for their own use (water clocks had been around a long time by then).

About the turtle ship, many people think that was an invention of Yi Sun-shin, but they are incorrect--it was actually invented during the time of King Taejong of Joseon, which was in the early 15th century. Also, there were probably not as many turtle ships used in the Imjinwaeran (Japanese invasions of 1592-98 ) as many people think; the more common Korean warship, the panokseon, was likely more often used.

Lastly, about the printing press, there is little doubt Koreans first came up with moveable metal type; on the other hand, Chinese had moveable wood type some time before that.

Koreans were not really so much about invention, but of innovation. They have always been big on finding things they found useful and adapting them to their own specs. Back a couple centuries ago, there were a group of Korean scholars who adhered to a school of thought called Silhak (Practical learning); they did not just study for the sake of studying (like most Yangban scholars), but actively looked for ideas that could have practical applications. A good example is the crane that was used to build the fortress walls at Suwon; Jeong Yak-yong (Dasan) was such a scholar and brought many ideas, such as that, with him from his travels.

The Korean matchlock musket was a copy of the Japanese matchlock (which, in turn, was an adaptation of a Portuguese matchlock). It took the Koreans decades to get it right, but once they did, they were exporting matchlocks to China. They used the design for over 250 years.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:
Think about actual new inventions, not small changes. Name anything that Korea invented, other than a food item.

1 A water clock. Skippedy doodah.
2. Turtle ship. The admiral still got killed.
3. Metal printing press. Arguable.

Anything more?


How about the ondol/ heated floor?
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