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naturegirl321
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| matthews_world wrote: |
Disinformation on this board abounds once again.
Straight from my secretary of state office:
Before you go to apostille your diploma, you need to request from the registar of your university a letter of authenticity saying that the diploma is legit. This must be displayed on the back of the copy.
The copy should be clean and without alterations.
Once this is done, the official in the registrar's office and you, if necessary, go to a notary. They witness the official's signature and then the notary does their thing.
Finally, send or take to your secretary of state office in the capital city or in another branch office in your state for apostillization. |
Say all you want. All I can say is that I just got 10 notarisation, authentifications, and apostillisations from the State of Illinois and NO letter or anything resembling verification from my uni.
I-ve never had to get a letter from my uni, not in the past and not this month.
I was told that the SEAL that is already on my degree eliminates the need for the letter.
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
I know CRC's require apostillization now.
These changes are effective Aug 1, 2010 for the CRC but how about the diploma copies?
Apostilled diploma copies are required after Jan 1, 2011? |
So if we get the CRC from teh FBI, do we have to get it apostillised in Washington or will any state do it? can we still get it done at the embassy here in Seoul? |
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matthews_world
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thedsr
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| kingasiatic88 wrote: |
at least in Oregon the registrar of your alma mater has to sign a document alleging the authenticity of your degree in the presence of a notary for the S of S to give it an apostille.
so if you could get the registrar to attest to the veracity of a fake degree, then yes you could have it apostilled. |
I just walked my notarized copy of my Washington degree into the Oregon Secretary of State and they Apostilled it w/o a problem. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:59 am Post subject: |
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| thedsr wrote: |
| kingasiatic88 wrote: |
at least in Oregon the registrar of your alma mater has to sign a document alleging the authenticity of your degree in the presence of a notary for the S of S to give it an apostille.
so if you could get the registrar to attest to the veracity of a fake degree, then yes you could have it apostilled. |
I just walked my notarized copy of my Washington degree into the Oregon Secretary of State and they Apostilled it w/o a problem. |
Yep  No verification. Gotta love it. |
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Jandar
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Same with the CRC. I went to the bank they made me sign the bottom of the CRC form and verified that I was me, check two forms of ID. Then as far as I know the Apostille merely verified that the Notary was valid.
I recently got a FBI check because I was hired by a stateside school system. As far as I could tell with FBI checks is that only the hiring agency can request the check with your permission.
So will the recruiters be applying for the FBI check or the hiring schools?
Good luck with this honestly thank goodness I got hired in the states. |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| In reality, you probably could get fake documents notarized/apostillised. If you got caught doing it though, there's probably a serious penalty. |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| In reality, you probably could get fake documents notarized/apostillised. If you got caught doing it though, there's probably a serious penalty. |
I dunno, my fake degree has done me well and nothing has happened so far! |
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DeMayonnaise
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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I never had to do this crap the first time around since GEPIK has a deal with the University of Wisconsin and anyone who applies through their program gets its easy, since the faculty member does all the work.
I'm applying for another job on my own though and am having my mom back home go through all this. She's a lawyer though so hopefully can figure it out.
I don't understand the need for a diploma AND transcripts. The transcript says I was awarded a bachelors degree, and is signed, sealed and stamped by my university. Why do you also need the diploma? |
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shostahoosier
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| In reality, you probably could get fake documents notarized/apostillised. If you got caught doing it though, there's probably a serious penalty. |
I probably could have done a fake document and been fine.
The police department didnt notarize my CRC. I did it myself. The police report was so plain (no official seal or signature) that I could have typed it myself.
The document was actually notarized with my signature. I was the one who said it was real....and I could have very well lied about it.
All the notary is doing (in North America) is validating that YOU signed your signature to a document. They're a glorified witness.
All the Secretary of States office (in the US) is doing is validating that your document was properly notarized.
Neither, in my case, proved that anything was legit.
The FBI check will clear this up, but in some states it would be surprisingly easy to make fake documents. |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| shostahoosier wrote: |
| Troglodyte wrote: |
| In reality, you probably could get fake documents notarized/apostillised. If you got caught doing it though, there's probably a serious penalty. |
I probably could have done a fake document and been fine.
The police department didnt notarize my CRC. I did it myself. The police report was so plain (no official seal or signature) that I could have typed it myself.
The document was actually notarized with my signature. I was the one who said it was real....and I could have very well lied about it.
All the notary is doing (in North America) is validating that YOU signed your signature to a document. They're a glorified witness.
All the Secretary of States office (in the US) is doing is validating that your document was properly notarized.
Neither, in my case, proved that anything was legit.
The FBI check will clear this up, but in some states it would be surprisingly easy to make fake documents. |
I completely agree with you. I have no doubt that someone could make a fake degree, transcripts etc. and get them notarized. You hear about it all the time even in big businesses and universities in the States. I read a report once where they found that only about 1/3 of HR departments will actually call up a reference to see what they actually say about the applicant or call up their university to verify that they really did graduate. So, I have no doubt at all that you could get away with doing it in an overseas job at a little mom-and-pops business like a hogwon.
When it may cause a problem for you, is if someone in the USA found out what you did and could prove it. Even though the notary is just witnessing your declaration that the documents are copies of a real document, that may be considered fraud or some such thing. I'm no lawyer but it really sounds like something illegal that could get you in trouble (if you got caught). |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| Troglodyte wrote: |
| In reality, you probably could get fake documents notarized/apostillised. If you got caught doing it though, there's probably a serious penalty. |
I dunno, my fake degree has done me well and nothing has happened so far! |
I've recently heard about two people who have worked at pretty good unis, and were there for a couple years before they found out their credentials were faked. Wasn't there some high-up person in the US govt that recently got caught with fake degrees? It was a woman and I think she had an AA, and then her BA, MA, and PhD were all fake. I think she worked for the white house?
My CBC was simply a internet print out. I went through the State Police of IL, but on the bottom was a website address. I probably could have done it myself.
But all this is for foreigners. In my town, about a month ago, there wasw a big to do about a couple of teachers at a hagwon with fake degrees. The kicker? They were all Koreans!
If Korea makes things so difficult, I've got a feeling peopel will leave and go somewhere else where we're not assumed to be criminals just for being foreigners. |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| Troglodyte wrote: |
| In reality, you probably could get fake documents notarized/apostillised. If you got caught doing it though, there's probably a serious penalty. |
I dunno, my fake degree has done me well and nothing has happened so far! |
I've recently heard about two people who have worked at pretty good unis, and were there for a couple years before they found out their credentials were faked. Wasn't there some high-up person in the US govt that recently got caught with fake degrees? It was a woman and I think she had an AA, and then her BA, MA, and PhD were all fake. I think she worked for the white house?
My CBC was simply a internet print out. I went through the State Police of IL, but on the bottom was a website address. I probably could have done it myself.
But all this is for foreigners. In my town, about a month ago, there wasw a big to do about a couple of teachers at a hagwon with fake degrees. The kicker? They were all Koreans!
If Korea makes things so difficult, I've got a feeling peopel will leave and go somewhere else where we're not assumed to be criminals just for being foreigners. |
If you're back in the States, you'll get in a bit of trouble for submitting fake degrees and certificates. You'll probably lose your job. But if you try to notarize a copy of a fake document then you just step it up notch. It's a lot worse if you legally swear that they are real. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| If you're back in the States, you'll get in a bit of trouble for submitting fake degrees and certificates. You'll probably lose your job. But if you try to notarize a copy of a fake document then you just step it up notch. It's a lot worse if you legally swear that they are real. |
DOn't have a fake degree. Or a fake copy either. I spent a couple hundred dollars and nearly a year verifying so.
All I said was that I know two peopleboth foreigners, who had worked at unis with fake degrees. THis was when they asked to see the original and the transcripts.
AND that people in the US govt do it.
And that they recently caught KOREANS in a hagwon. Yet I'm pretty sure they don't have to go through all the stuff we do.
Kimmi, schools, unis, etc, can all ASK to see the transcripts, degrees, etc, but if they never CHECK up on them, then the same thing will keep on happening. |
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hari seldon
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
Disinformation on this board abounds once again.
Straight from my secretary of state office:
Before you go to apostille your diploma, you need to request from the registar of your university a letter of authenticity saying that the diploma is legit. This must be displayed on the back of the copy.
The copy should be clean and without alterations.
Once this is done, the official in the registrar's office and you, if necessary, go to a notary. They witness the official's signature and then the notary does their thing.
Finally, send or take to your secretary of state office in the capital city or in another branch office in your state for apostillization. |
Say all you want. All I can say is that I just got 10 notarisation, authentifications, and apostillisations from the State of Illinois and NO letter or anything resembling verification from my uni.
I-ve never had to get a letter from my uni, not in the past and not this month.
I was told that the SEAL that is already on my degree eliminates the need for the letter. |
Degrees awarded by state universities bear the governor's signature and can be apostilled by that state's secretary of state without any fanfare (because it's an official state document.)
Those from private universities require an accompanying notarized letter of affidavit from the university registrar. |
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