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Louis VI
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| sheriffadam wrote: |
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Cherry Blossoms are Japanese.
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I read the exact opposite, The Japanese exported the cherry blossom trees to Japan and tried to kill them all off in Korea? |
 Revisionist history by ultra-nationalists. |
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BoholDiver
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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The peppers were introduced to Korea by Portugal.
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Korean rice is Filipino.
"Halla-bong" is Malaysian.
Korean "go-chu" hot peppers are South American.
Cherry Blossoms are Japanese.
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I thought this thread was gonna be about that: stating it doesn't matter WHERE things comes from, as a culture adopts some things and makes it their own, that identity isn't undermined by citing historical fact. |
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Louis VI
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| BoholDiver wrote: |
| The peppers were introduced to Korea by Portugal. |
By Portugese traders via China to be exact. The peppers were shipped across the Pacific. They are South American in origin. |
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shinramyun
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| sheriffadam wrote: |
| Louis VI wrote: |
Cherry Blossoms are Japanese.
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I read the exact opposite, The Japanese exported the cherry blossom trees to Japan and tried to kill them all off in Korea? |
Revisionist history by ultra-nationalists. |
Which nations? Korea or japan? Because both nations are awesome at revising histories and twisting facts. |
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Konglishman
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| BoholDiver wrote: |
| The peppers were introduced to Korea by Portugal. |
By Portugese traders via China to be exact. The peppers were shipped across the Pacific. They are South American in origin. |
My understanding was that the Japanese actually gave the red peppers to the Koreans just prior to the Imjin War as the Japanese thought the peppers were poisonous. |
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Louis VI
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| My understanding was that the Japanese actually gave the red peppers to the Koreans just prior to the Imjin War as the Japanese thought the peppers were poisonous. |
So the Japanese were trying to harm Koreans just like the Japanese tried to kill off the cherry blossoms in Korea after stealing them from here?? OMFG. I thought only Korean children believed this *beep*.
Now I'm doubting other historical things I know less about: their saying that sushi and women divers of Jeju were originally Korean but the Japanese took their ideas. Oh, and the kimono is a rip off of the hanbok. Koreans were in Japan before the Japanese were. Etc, etc. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| sheriffadam wrote: |
| The Japanese exported the cherry blossom trees to Japan and tried to kill them all off in Korea |
The Japanese are also credited with total deforestation of the Korean peninsula during colonial times, however an equally major factor was that Koreans actually cleared all the trees for fireood ..for their ondol. |
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morrisonhotel
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:23 am Post subject: |
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and on the Ondol debate, my fav ancient civilisation (Romans) were fmaous for under floor heating too, I have no idea who did it first or if the two are related though? |
If I remember rightly from first year archaeology, underfloor heating originated in Pakistan.
ETA: The wonders of Wikipedia: "Excavations at Mohenjo-daro in what is now Pakistan have unearthed what is believed to be a hypocaust lined with bitumen-coated bricks. If so, the structure would predate the earliest Roman hypocaust by as much as 2000 years." |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| My understanding was that the Japanese actually gave the red peppers to the Koreans just prior to the Imjin War as the Japanese thought the peppers were poisonous. |
So the Japanese were trying to harm Koreans just like the Japanese tried to kill off the cherry blossoms in Korea after stealing them from here?? OMFG. I thought only Korean children believed this *beep*.
Now I'm doubting other historical things I know less about: their saying that sushi and women divers of Jeju were originally Korean but the Japanese took their ideas. Oh, and the kimono is a rip off of the hanbok. Koreans were in Japan before the Japanese were. Etc, etc. |
Yes, I hate Korea too so I try to project my displeasure through contradicting any apologetical claims regardless of what I am or am not aware of. |
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Louis VI
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, I hate Korea too so I try to project my displeasure through contradicting any apologetical claims regardless of what I am or am not aware of. |
Uh, no... Loving Korea and refusing to be ignorant ain't mutually exclusive! whatever apologists think. |
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air76
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sure those links won't change the minds of the naysayers who refuse to acknowledge that Korea DOES have originality and innovation. |
Funnily enough, a few internet links actually don't overshadow what I've seen with my own two eyes.
A Korean who thinks outside of the box is a Korean who has left Korea....if you want to think outside of the box, you literally have to get outside of it...get on an airplane, and get out. |
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Konglishman
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| My understanding was that the Japanese actually gave the red peppers to the Koreans just prior to the Imjin War as the Japanese thought the peppers were poisonous. |
So the Japanese were trying to harm Koreans just like the Japanese tried to kill off the cherry blossoms in Korea after stealing them from here?? OMFG. I thought only Korean children believed this *beep*.
Now I'm doubting other historical things I know less about: their saying that sushi and women divers of Jeju were originally Korean but the Japanese took their ideas. Oh, and the kimono is a rip off of the hanbok. Koreans were in Japan before the Japanese were. Etc, etc. |
Considering that red peppers were from the Americas and the Japanese had no prior culinary experience with them before getting them from the Portuguese, it really is not that far fetched that they initially thought the peppers were poisonous. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure those links won't change the minds of the naysayers who refuse to acknowledge that Korea DOES have originality and innovation. |
Funnily enough, a few internet links actually don't overshadow what I've seen with my own two eyes.
A Korean who thinks outside of the box is a Korean who has left Korea....if you want to think outside of the box, you literally have to get outside of it...get on an airplane, and get out. |
Or be able to speak Korean so you can find people who aren't in the mainstream.
I love how people who couldn't even make a post on the Kim Yuna fan board on daum.net suddenly pronounce that they have deep knowledge of Korean scenes and culture.
Besides what makes a person 'creative'? Plenty of people I know who are considered 'creative' are actually derivative and following a scene.
Either that or what they create is just shocking, not creative, or haphazard, which is not creative, or just plain bad.
Anyone who has done some kind of arts & crafts activity during their lessons can see plenty of creativity.
Of my co-teachers one makes her own cosmetics, another wrote a play for the local community theater, another is a poet. And some are just plain mainstream go to work types.
I don't think its some explosion of invention here or anything, just that its not a blank book here either. |
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Mr. BlackCat
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^^
A good friend of mine taught English for art students at a pretty big university here in Korea for a few years. These were students who had dedicated their lives to art; painters, sculpters, performance, dance, music, ect. She would tell me how many of the students would tell her that unless you do traditional art you simply will not get anywhere in Korea. The talked about being insulted and failed for doing anything outside the 'norm' in their art classes. The English for art students program was started because most art students knew they had to leave Korea in order to pursue anything artistic. My friend said something like over three quarters of the students will leave Korea after they graduate. She even had some b-list pop singers in her classes who would say they want to do something different, but unless you sing classical or K-pop you will be shunned by the industry. Many of these students' parents had disowned them as well.
I've been to several art studios in Korea and have talked to many artists as well. Most of them did their work outside Korea after living and studying elsewhere for many years, and they have returned with their work to encourage young Koreans to challenge the status quo.
I wouldn't say Koreans are uncreative, but this society certainly stiffles creativity. I have taught kindergarten kids here and if you say, "draw a house" many of them will draw really crazy houses. Now with 5th graders I say the same thing and they will all draw almost exactly the same thing, after waiting for me to show them an example. In Korea you're taught not to challenge the status quo, not to ask questions, not to speak up. "The nail that sticks out will get hammered down". On the other end, those in authority see any suggestions by their underlings as a threat to their position. I think it's changing slowly, but in many Western countries there is a strong entrepreneurial mindset and students all the way up to employees are expected to take the initiative. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease". |
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Caffeinated
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| My understanding was that the Japanese actually gave the red peppers to the Koreans just prior to the Imjin War as the Japanese thought the peppers were poisonous. |
So the Japanese were trying to harm Koreans just like the Japanese tried to kill off the cherry blossoms in Korea after stealing them from here?? OMFG. I thought only Korean children believed this *beep*.
Now I'm doubting other historical things I know less about: their saying that sushi and women divers of Jeju were originally Korean but the Japanese took their ideas. Oh, and the kimono is a rip off of the hanbok. Koreans were in Japan before the Japanese were. Etc, etc. |
At SMOE spring orientation one of the speakers was a high school history teacher who basically said all Japanese culture comes from Korea. If the Korean children believe it, then the teachers are accountable for much of it. |
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