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ltnflvr



Joined: 15 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Just given my 30 day notice Reply with quote

Hi. I have been working at a private pre-k school for 7 months. For the past 4 months, my director ( the owner) and I have been engaging in verbal battles weekly. So finally today she gave me my 30 day notice and told me I am fired. Korean co-teachers keep on quitting. So I kind of mocked her for running a business in which nobody was happy working for her. Wrong of me, I understand. I have not received a letter of dismissal. I am not trying to take vengeance on her. However, I do feel as though I deserve at least half of my flight/severence paid for since I worked half of the year. I also worked 3 months illegally for her and have paystubs to prove it. What will be the consequence of me bringing these to the police/labor board? I also have a fake flight receipt she gave me to prove to customs that when I initially entered Korea 7 months ago, it was only for tourism. I know all of this sounds very childish and unpleasant, but I am just trying to be honest about the situation. By the way.... my contract basically says she can fire me for any reason she chooses. Any advice is appreciated.
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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the 30 days notice. She doesn't owe you more than that.
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iwillteachyouenglish



Joined: 07 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And none of these prior events served as red flags to you? Jesus, it sounds like you both knowingly broke laws.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Just given my 30 day notice Reply with quote

ltnflvr wrote:
However, I do feel as though I deserve at least half of my flight/severence paid for since I worked half of the year.


Korean labor law disagrees with you. Your contract probably does as well. You don't have a leg to stand on.


ltnflvr wrote:
I also worked 3 months illegally for her and have paystubs to prove it. What will be the consequence of me bringing these to the police/labor board?


For your boss? At worst a fine and a slap on the wrist. For you? Quite possibly fines and deportation, since you would be confessing to working illegally. Of course, it's Immigration who handles that image, not the police or the labor board.

ltnflvr wrote:
I know all of this sounds very childish and unpleasant, but I am just trying to be honest about the situation.


All too common in the hogwon world.


ltnflvr wrote:
By the way.... my contract basically says she can fire me for any reason she chooses.


For your first 6 months, Korean labor law backs this 100%.

ltnflvr wrote:
Any advice is appreciated.


Your boss may or may not actually pay you for your last 30 days. If she's vindictive/greedy enough, she may just deduct your recruiter fee and airfare from your final check leaving you with nothing. If you're staying in Korea, make sure she knows it, and that you're prepared to go to the labor board if need be.

If you're planning on staying in Korea, you should also work on getting your boss to transfer your visa, or at least going with you to cancel it to get your exit order, so that you won't have to get all new docs for your next work visa.

Consider yourself lucky to be leaving a toxic work environment, and better luck next time.

Oh, and don't work for any hogwon illegally for 3 months again. That's just a bad idea.
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JustTurtle



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Just given my 30 day notice Reply with quote

ltnflvr wrote:
Hi. I have been working at a private pre-k school for 7 months. For the past 4 months, my director ( the owner) and I have been engaging in verbal battles weekly. So finally today she gave me my 30 day notice and told me I am fired. Korean co-teachers keep on quitting. So I kind of mocked her for running a business in which nobody was happy working for her. Wrong of me, I understand. I have not received a letter of dismissal. I am not trying to take vengeance on her. However, I do feel as though I deserve at least half of my flight/severence paid for since I worked half of the year. I also worked 3 months illegally for her and have paystubs to prove it. What will be the consequence of me bringing these to the police/labor board? I also have a fake flight receipt she gave me to prove to customs that when I initially entered Korea 7 months ago, it was only for tourism. I know all of this sounds very childish and unpleasant, but I am just trying to be honest about the situation. By the way.... my contract basically says she can fire me for any reason she chooses. Any advice is appreciated.


It sounds like you are being fired for a valid reason (insubordination) and now you are considering blackmailing her for it. That's not cool.
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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You seemed happy to go along with her (and your) illegal activities at the time, now you are being petty. You sound like someone in Florida calling the cops because your hooker stole your drugs.

Getting fired must suck though, good luck and I hope you get what is owed to you.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do agree on the plane ticket yes. The severance no - simple put you did not finish the year. These should have been negotiated before you signed a contract. I have met people who had negotiated that severance was paid every month. Alas

WOw I just came up with another rule about working in Korea. NOTHING is fair. If a school can screw you they will likely screw you. Damn fair if they can get away with it legally and ethically they will do it.

You might want to leave before. As some one commented you will likely be screwed on the last months pay.

Also three months illegal! I can understand a couple of weeks to a month but three months - thats dangerous and foolish.
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ltnflvr



Joined: 15 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She needed a teacher quickly, so she brought me over as fast as possible. Then, it took a long time for the paperwork to get over. We both knew we were doing something illegal. So we are both in the wrong. I don't understand why that would make me more to blame?

I work 45 hours a week with 30 teaching hours. 2.1 Million. I try extremely hard and sweat for this place as I am sure many other people in my position do. My only break in the day is to have lunch and maybe 20 minutes a day in between writing multiple lengthy lesson plans, or making workbooks, or writing tests. (This was at a protest because before, I had to serve the kids lunch also.) I have never had a Korean co-teacher.
My boss asked me why I did not have a special lesson planned that I was advised to make 2 days prior for an open class in which the parents would attend. I told her I was too busy making tests the kids needed to take. I told her she should talk to me after class to not disrupt the lesson. Then she got very angry and pissy about this yelling at me in front of my class. So I said "Don't be angry with me just because all your Korean staff is quitting on you." That's when she made the students leave and told me if I did not apologize, I would be fired. So I did not apologize and she fired me with 30 days notice.

Then, when I asked for half my severance, she told me that Korean law says I am now owed the money. But then I told her that Korean law says she cannot hire an illegal worker as well. That is when I began thinking about using my previous illegal status as leverage. I thought of that because I currently feel innocent and powerless to this situation. So, Im sorry if some of you think I am unethical for that response, but maybe you understand now with the disclosed details. Advice?
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ltnflvr wrote:
She needed a teacher quickly, so she brought me over as fast as possible. Then, it took a long time for the paperwork to get over. We both knew we were doing something illegal. So we are both in the wrong. I don't understand why that would make me more to blame?


You will be whipped more than your boss by K-authorities (k-immi) is what everyone is saying.
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have said, you won't get airfare or severance, and reporting them for the illegal three months will hurt you more than it hurts them. Move on and find a better job.
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Yucca Girl



Joined: 03 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ltnflvr wrote:

Then, when I asked for half my severance, she told me that Korean law says I am now owed the money.


I'm a little confused by this statement. I was under the impression that severance was only paid once you completed a year of work. If you work more than a year, then severance can be prorated for any months over a year. If you only worked for seven months, however, I'm not sure you are legally entitled to any severance.

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But then I told her that Korean law says she cannot hire an illegal worker as well. That is when I began thinking about using my previous illegal status as leverage. I thought of that because I currently feel innocent and powerless to this situation. So, Im sorry if some of you think I am unethical for that response, but maybe you understand now with the disclosed details. Advice?


I really don't think that this is a wise idea. I believe that you can face fines and issues with immigration if they learn that you were working illegally. I'm not sure how that would translate into giving you leverage against your boss.
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ltnflvr



Joined: 15 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you don't think the labor board could help me about unjust termination since I was fired for not apologizing about a statement? Or is this insubordination and I am just screwed and should go buy a plane ticket?

I do not intend on remaining in Korea. I do not want to start another year contract. So since I plan on going elsewhere, I do not understand how being deported would hinder these plans. ?
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ltnflvr wrote:
So you don't think the labor board could help me about unjust termination since I was fired for not apologizing about a statement? Or is this insubordination and I am just screwed and should go buy a plane ticket?

I do not intend on remaining in Korea. I do not want to start another year contract. So since I plan on going elsewhere, I do not understand how being deported would hinder these plans. ?


You were not terminated unjustly, you were terminated with cause ( verbal battles) your personal feelings about her or the business are beside the point, actually that's not true, it sounds like you verbalised your feelings about here business and she fired you for it.

The labor board will only be able to do whats in your contract or in the labor law.

You are not owed either a plane ticket or severance unless your contract states otherwise.

You yourself even admit that you are fine breaking the labor laws when it suits you ( working 3 months for free) but you want it to work for you when your boss does something that is totally within her rights both contractually and legally.

You should re-examine your logic. YOU bad mouth a company while working there, YOU get into verbal battles with your employer, YOU freely worked illegally for 3 months, SHE had a valid reason ( 2 actually) asside from the fact that in most contracts she needs NO reason at all

and you think you are being treated unjustly or unfairly?
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Yucca Girl



Joined: 03 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ltnflvr wrote:
So you don't think the labor board could help me about unjust termination since I was fired for not apologizing about a statement? Or is this insubordination and I am just screwed and should go buy a plane ticket?

I do not intend on remaining in Korea. I do not want to start another year contract. So since I plan on going elsewhere, I do not understand how being deported would hinder these plans. ?


I think if your boss gave you the 30 days notice for your termination there may not be much that the labor board can due unless after 30 days she doesn't pay you for the remaining time you worked.

As far as the plane ticket goes, if you worked six months, then she should pay for the plane ticket to get to Korea, but I don't think there is any way to force her to pay for your flight home.

In addition to deportation, you may be fined. I have no idea how much you could be fined, but bringing the months you were working illegally to the attention of immigration could mean losing money.
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ltnflvr



Joined: 15 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So basically I cannot leave the country until I pay the fines?
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