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naturegirl321
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| hari seldon wrote: |
| Those from private universities require an accompanying notarized letter of affidavit from the university registrar. |
Mine's from a private preacher / teacher uni, had it notarised, authentificated, apostillised every year since 2004 and never needed anything from the registrar.
Maybe it's because there's the uni's seal on it and the registrar signed me degree. I don'�t know, Could be, like MANY things in the US, that it varies state to state. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| hari seldon wrote: |
| Those from private universities require an accompanying notarized letter of affidavit from the university registrar. |
Mine's from a private preacher / teacher uni, had it notarised, authentificated, apostillised every year since 2004 and never needed anything from the registrar.
Could be, like MANY things in the US, that it varies state to state. |
Korean Immigration shouldn't accept any private university diploma that isn't accompanied by a notarized affidavit from the university's registrar. They shouldn't accept your affidavit, even if the secretary of state puts an apostille on it.
Secretaries of State will apostille any valid notarization, so I'm not surprised that you got your affidavit of your degree copy apostilled.
Is it really fair to expect a clerk working at a Korean Immigration office to discern whether or not an affidavit attached to a degree copy is signed by the university's registrar and not the visa applicant? This change could open the door to more fake degrees.
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| hari seldon wrote: |
Korean Immigration shouldn't accept any private university diploma that isn't accompanied by a notarized affidavit from the university's registrar. They shouldn't accept your affidavit, even if the secretary of state puts an apostille on it.
State university diplomas, on the other hand, can be apostilled without this letter.
If Immi's not going to check for the above, then they'd be better off going back to sealed transcripts. Otherwise, fake degrees will become the rage again and Immi will be embarrassed to no end. |
This was back when they required BOTH transcripts and the apostillisation. It's only changed within the past week when transcripts are no longer required. (Plus, I'm pretty sure that like I said, my registrar already SIGNED my degree, that that counted in lieu of the affidavit)
And we both know that what kimmi says and what they do are completely different  By the by, I was told that they needed transcripts that were from the last six months. Mine were from 2004. Sitll accepted. Have a legit ARC, becuase my degrees' are legit. My transcripts aren't going to change from one year to the next.
You can quote Korean Immigration until you're blue in the face, until they start following through, and doing everything by the book, it really doesn't really matter. |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:09 am Post subject: |
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I can just see it now. A whole lot more people making up a nice degree in Corel Draw and printing it out at Kinkos. Notarised. Aposilled. Off to Korea.
Lots of new recent grads from the South Hampton Institute of Technology with a BA in BS-ing. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
I can just see it now. A whole lot more people making up a nice degree in Corel Draw and printing it out at Kinkos. Notarised. Aposilled. Off to Korea.
Lots of new recent grads from the South Hampton Institute of Technology with a BA in BS-ing. |
What prevents a person from buying a fake diploma in Bangkok, copying it, having the copy certified as a true copy by the notary at the U.S. Embassy, and getting it apostilled by the Dept. of State?
The typical Korean Immigration clerk wouldn't have a clue.
Immigration never should have phased out the sealed transcript requirement. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| hari seldon wrote: |
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I can just see it now. A whole lot more people making up a nice degree in Corel Draw and printing it out at Kinkos. Notarised. Aposilled. Off to Korea.
Lots of new recent grads from the South Hampton Institute of Technology with a BA in BS-ing. |
What prevents a person from buying a fake diploma in Bangkok, copying it, having the copy certified as a true copy by the notary at the U.S. Embassy, and getting it apostilled by the Dept. of State?
The typical Korean Immigration clerk wouldn't have a clue.
Immigration never should have phased out the sealed transcript requirement. |
If you're making the trip to Bangkok anyway then it might be worth just picking one up while you're there. If you're going to China, you can get one there as well. They make some really nice documents there. I had a buddy who worked at the Australian embassy and he said that they have to send all documents to a lab or something in Australia where someone confirms that they are real. (I imagine that part of that process involves actually calling up the institute that issued the document.) Apparently, in China forging documents like diplomas and certificates (e.g. Cambridge EFL certificates) is a big industry, and they make very convincing forgeries.
I don't really see why adding the sealed transcripts proves much more than the diploma itself. They are probably a bit more difficult to copy because of the detail on them. But if no one is going to go to the trouble of verifying anything then they don't even need to look like the real ones. If fact, if no verification is done, you can completely invent a university and make up a set of documents. The main reason that employer in North America and Europe will ask applicants for a copy of their transcripts is because they want to see what kind of marks you got and what courses you studied. They may also ask for the transcripts to be sent direct from the university. If they are serious, they will call your university to check verify things. For these jobs in Korea, no one will verify anything. I doubt that they even open the university website to see if the logo on your transcripts is the same as what's on the university web page. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| hari seldon wrote: |
| Troglodyte wrote: |
I can just see it now. A whole lot more people making up a nice degree in Corel Draw and printing it out at Kinkos. Notarised. Aposilled. Off to Korea.
Lots of new recent grads from the South Hampton Institute of Technology with a BA in BS-ing. |
What prevents a person from buying a fake diploma in Bangkok, copying it, having the copy certified as a true copy by the notary at the U.S. Embassy, and getting it apostilled by the Dept. of State?
The typical Korean Immigration clerk wouldn't have a clue.
Immigration never should have phased out the sealed transcript requirement. |
If you're making the trip to Bangkok anyway then it might be worth just picking one up while you're there. If you're going to China, you can get one there as well. They make some really nice documents there. I had a buddy who worked at the Australian embassy and he said that they have to send all documents to a lab or something in Australia where someone confirms that they are real. (I imagine that part of that process involves actually calling up the institute that issued the document.) Apparently, in China forging documents like diplomas and certificates (e.g. Cambridge EFL certificates) is a big industry, and they make very convincing forgeries.
I don't really see why adding the sealed transcripts proves much more than the diploma itself. They are probably a bit more difficult to copy because of the detail on them. But if no one is going to go to the trouble of verifying anything then they don't even need to look like the real ones. If fact, if no verification is done, you can completely invent a university and make up a set of documents. The main reason that employer in North America and Europe will ask applicants for a copy of their transcripts is because they want to see what kind of marks you got and what courses you studied. They may also ask for the transcripts to be sent direct from the university. If they are serious, they will call your university to check verify things. For these jobs in Korea, no one will verify anything. I doubt that they even open the university website to see if the logo on your transcripts is the same as what's on the university web page. |
Korean Immigration should insist that degrees be certified and notarized by the university registrar and train their officials to visually verify it's the case. Only then will the new regulations be effective as a deterrent to fake documents. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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I know this is an old thread, but here's what the FCO in the UK has to say.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/what-we-do/services-we-deliver/legal-services/legalisation/
Legalisation is the official confirmation that a signature, seal or stamp on a UK public document is genuine. Legalisation is usually required by foreign authorities before they will allow a UK document to be used for official purposes in their country. Legalisation does not certify the authenticity of a document or give Foreign and Commonwealth Office approval of its content. Please read the 'More about legalisation' section for further information. |
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ThingsComeAround
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
I can just see it now. A whole lot more people making up a nice degree in Corel Draw and printing it out at Kinkos. Notarised. Aposilled. Off to Korea.
Lots of new recent grads from the South Hampton Institute of Technology with a BA in BS-ing. |
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