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mithridates
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| mises wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
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| probably spending on it to bomb Iran for Israel. |
Canada stayed out of Iraq. If Palin and company get elected in 2012 I feel confident that we will stay out of any war with Iran. |
I know for a fact they went to Afghanistan. It's not much of a stretch if they go to Iran. |
Iran hopefully won't become a land war and attempted occupation. Even if it does, Canada won't participate. If Harper tried to send Canadian forces his government is over as the unite the left movement would have the big issue with which to unite around. Ah. I hope. |
I'd join that too, and I'm not even particularly left. 100% opposed to any military action against Iran. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| probably spending on it to bomb Iran for Israel. |
Canada stayed out of Iraq. If Palin and company get elected in 2012 I feel confident that we will stay out of any war with Iran. |
I know for a fact they went to Afghanistan. It's not much of a stretch if they go to Iran. |
Iran hopefully won't become a land war and attempted occupation. Even if it does, Canada won't participate. If Harper tried to send Canadian forces his government is over as the unite the left movement would have the big issue with which to unite around. Ah. I hope. |
I'd join that too, and I'm not even particularly left. 100% opposed to any military action against Iran. |
What about the F-35 contract? F-35s are good for defense, too. |
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GwangjuParents
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The Canadian gov't is mired in huge debt and they're going to blow billions on this?
I say strap a couple sidewinders on a few Twotters and let them patrol the north... |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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The Canadian gov't is mired in huge debt and they're going to blow billions on this?
I say strap a couple sidewinders on a few Twotters and let them patrol the north... |
I don't think Canada needs them for self defense, but to excert thier influence as a NATO power they may feel like they need them. |
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Steve_Rogers2008
Joined: 22 Mar 2010
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Iran's the perfect choice for the next use of the ol' Abomb! 
lots of dessert, so plenty of room for fallout... just make sure not to hit any future oil fields...
though the great irony of it could be using nuclear weapons to DESTROY Iranian nuclear weapons... too bad gwb is out of office... he always loved irony... |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| Nearly $1000 per taxpayer expense, money going to a U.S. firm which owns the lobbyist group which donates to the Conservative Party. I guess it's good journalism these days not to mention that: bloody right-wing media! |
+100 |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| probably spending on it to bomb Iran for Israel. |
Canada stayed out of Iraq. If Palin and company get elected in 2012 I feel confident that we will stay out of any war with Iran. |
I know for a fact they went to Afghanistan. It's not much of a stretch if they go to Iran. |
Iran hopefully won't become a land war and attempted occupation. Even if it does, Canada won't participate. If Harper tried to send Canadian forces his government is over as the unite the left movement would have the big issue with which to unite around. Ah. I hope. |
I'd join that too, and I'm not even particularly left. 100% opposed to any military action against Iran. |
What about the F-35 contract? F-35s are good for defense, too. |
Defense from whom?
| Louis VI wrote: |
Nearly $1000 per taxpayer expense, money going to a U.S. firm which owns the lobbyist group which donates to the Conservative Party. I guess it's good journalism these days not to mention that: bloody right-wing media! |
Nice to know this kind of crap isn't strictly a US thing  |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: |
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It is a gross misuse of public funds.
Harper, sad to say, has got to go. The Liberals need a more serious leader. Ignatieff is an American liberal elite academic, with all the dysfunctional pathologies and vile ideology that comes with that. I hope they don't do the dynasty thing and go with J. Trudeau. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| probably spending on it to bomb Iran for Israel. |
Canada stayed out of Iraq. If Palin and company get elected in 2012 I feel confident that we will stay out of any war with Iran. |
I know for a fact they went to Afghanistan. It's not much of a stretch if they go to Iran. |
Iran hopefully won't become a land war and attempted occupation. Even if it does, Canada won't participate. If Harper tried to send Canadian forces his government is over as the unite the left movement would have the big issue with which to unite around. Ah. I hope. |
I'd join that too, and I'm not even particularly left. 100% opposed to any military action against Iran. |
What about the F-35 contract? F-35s are good for defense, too. |
Defense from whom? |
Aggressors. I mean, why else does a Canadian Air Force pilot get up in the morning?
| mises wrote: |
| It is a gross misuse of public funds. |
Not surprised to hear you say that.
The case for F-35s is stronger than the bottom line suggests. Eventually, if Canada wants to have an air force, it will need F-35s. It can buy them now or wait. Waiting might help on price, but it already looks like if the F-35s are ordered in bulk by the allies, Lockheed will try to draw down the price. SecDef Gates has already told Lockheed the F-35s are still expensive.
Lastly, I pretty much expect people unfamiliar with the F-35s capabilities to disbelieve its worth the price. Its a new generation of aircraft.
Anyway, $9 billion. Its the price of a serious air force. Canadians have to decide if that's what they want, or if they want to depend entirely upon the US military. |
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catman
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Anyway, $9 billion. Its the price of a serious air force.
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Than I don't want a "serious air force".
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Canadians have to decide if that's what they want, or if they want to depend entirely upon the US military. |
We haven't had to so far. |
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The Happy Warrior
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Canadians have to decide if that's what they want, or if they want to depend entirely upon the US military. |
We haven't had to so far. |
Right. For one, Canada has a serious armed forces.
In WWII, Canada had a very serious, serious armed forces. The RCAF was at the center of the Battle for Britain, and later was all over the skies of Europe.
Anyway, people can disagree on the desirability of the current purchase. But a country investing in keeping its national defense modern is never a gross misuse of public funds. A gross misuse of public funds is when an elected official uses public money to dredge his moat.
Anything else is a gross abuse of hyperbole! |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Again people one of the things the military does is develop technology that has applications in civilian markets. Not saying that this is the case here, but I'd be willing to be that there is some technology in there that Canadian firms would be interested in. Thus that $9 billion spent may be recouped in some fashion. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| But a country investing in keeping its national defense modern is never a gross misuse of public funds. |
Canada is entering into what America has been going though. The country can't afford it. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, the US has gone deep into the red in large part because of military spending. I don't want Canada to mimic the US in this regard. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, the US has gone deep into the red in large part because of military spending. I don't want Canada to mimic the US in this regard. |
Nor do I. Canada will have a serious recession/mild depression independent of additional military spending. This isn't the time for new toys. We're screwed if China's growth slows. |
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