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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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| Most college grads from the Philippines would not be able to properly grade term papers and such for a university course (some native teacher's can't either, but the percentage is much higher.) |
And many native speakers can?
I am sorry, but I find this laughable, especially when I heard one guy say once that he wanted a uni job simply because he was a "free-time junkie" 
I think some would be simply scared their livelihood would be threatened by the "decrease" in pay due to the fact that if Filipinos and Indians were given E2s, the market would be even more saturated than it is now.
However, I feel that if this were to happen, it would be a good way to separate the wheat from the chaff.
To a certain degree, I see where Yaya is going with his argument. |
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huffdaddy
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| Doesn't matter if it's a mistake or not to target the west, that's what Jet and Epik/Gepik were created for. Countries like the Philippines, Hong Kong, India all speak English but you can probably trace the origins to a western country, like the U.S or Britain. |
Maybe they were created for that, but they're realizing that it doesn't make sense to focus on "native" English. Especially when English is spoken as a second language by more people than it is spoken as a first language. Korea's cultural elitism is going by the way side as Han blood is increasingly mixed with SE Asian blood. |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| Open it up even more - what about Malta and the commonwealth countries of the carribean. Who would you put your money on speaking better English - a university educated Bahamian or an Afrikaner? |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| mayorgc wrote: |
| Doesn't matter if it's a mistake or not to target the west, that's what Jet and Epik/Gepik were created for. Countries like the Philippines, Hong Kong, India all speak English but you can probably trace the origins to a western country, like the U.S or Britain. |
Maybe they were created for that, but they're realizing that it doesn't make sense to focus on "native" English. Especially when English is spoken as a second language by more people than it is spoken as a first language. Korea's cultural elitism is going by the way side as Han blood is increasingly mixed with SE Asian blood. |
Well, jet and gepik still focus on the west so I don't think they've changed their mindset. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Considering Japan and Korea are located in the East, that's not surprising. But that still doesn't change Jet/Gepik/Epik's mission statement.
http://www.jetprogramme.org/e/introduction/index.html
90% of Jets come from U.S.A, Canada, Britain, Australia, New Zealand. English teachers weren't invited to Japan/Korea to teach English for "s***s and giggles". It was for developing/fosterning business relations. Just because they do most of their business with non-western countries doesn't mean they wouldn't prefer more business with the west.
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| No matter where you go in Japan today, you will find JET participants developing strong relationships with their local communities through foreign language education and international exchange activities. After completing their time on the Programme, many former JET participants use their experiences in Japan to continue enhancing relations between Japan and their home countries. |
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So, why isn't the Bahamas included in the list? English is their national language. It is in the West. I mean it is right next to Florida. And it is certainly not a poor country by any stretch of the imagination. Its GDP per capita is almost $22,000 per year. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:02 am Post subject: Re: Not send a reply directly |
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As I understand it the Koreans wanted to bring over qualified teachers from there along with the Indians. It was the Filipino goverment that blocked the move fearing a "brain drain"
I thought that they were good at English and it was a plentiful and cheap commodity. The fact that they adopt the above policy suggests otherwise however.  |
Philippine call center operations in Makati have a difficult time recruiting enough customer service representatives to meet their standards. Just because the Philippines government has designated English as one of the nation's official languages, doesn't mean that the country produces large numbers of highly fluent English speakers.
English is designated as one of a few or several official languages in numerous countries. Does that mean that most of the communication is conducted in English? Nope. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| For the singles amongst you it should give you a better dating pool:) |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:36 am Post subject: Re: E-2s for Filipino teachers? |
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If anyone�s vehemently for or against the prospect of Filipino instructors being granted E-2 visas so they can teach English here (and you'd like to speak with me about it), please send me a PM.
Cheers,
Matt Lamers
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As I understand it, the Philippines have rejected the idea, because they can't even fill all of their own call center jobs with sufficiently fluent English speakers.
Why don't you write an article about importing large numbers of Indian teachers to Seoul instead? That would be provocative since I'm guessing many Seoulites wouldn't want their little Kim to be taught by an Indian. |
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wesharris
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| I work with a Phillipino. He does an EXCELLENT job. But, he's been teaching for nearly 5 years. Myself, a little over a year and a half now. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| I work with a Phillipino. He does an EXCELLENT job. But, he's been teaching for nearly 5 years. Myself, a little over a year and a half now. |
I don't doubt that there are excellent teachers who are Filipino BUT consider the consequences of allowing Filipinos to get E-2 visas. How are you going to verify their academic credentials, whether they graduated and such given that the Phils is a Third World country? And like I said, there is speaking English and then there is being raised in an English-speaking country.
There are Filipinos who will do just about anything to stay in Korea for the money, and allowing them to get F-2s will open a whole new can of worms for Korea. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Why is the Korea Herald interested in writing an article about Philippine English teachers when the Philippine government has already said that they cannot provide them?
The Korean Herald should be writing about introducing Indian English teachers into Seoul schools, but I'm guessing they don't want to write about that because Korean parents don't want Indians in their classrooms. |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| Mabuhay!!!! E2 v.999.999 |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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What does my job have to do with this thread?
Yaya- I get what you're trying to say. But I doubt Korea is going to lower the bar to let Filipinos and Indians work on E2s. But I think what might pose a problem is that Koreans might look the other way in regards to background checks and academic verifications if a perspective E2 candidate slips an immigration or consular officer a "thick white envelope".
Filipinos and Indians are more used to graft as a way to get things done than we are. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| There are Filipinos who will do just about anything to stay in Korea for the money, and allowing them to get F-2s will open a whole new can of worms for Korea. |
Philippina/os are already allowed to get F-2s. Or did you mean E-2s?
Regardless, since Philipina/os are already teaching English in Korea - some legally, some illegally - it doesn't seem like your dire predictions hold much merit.
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rebmetpes
Joined: 30 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm all for it if they open up the ESL market to ANY country that has English as a national language. |
you know English isn't the official language of the United States? |
Yes I do know this as it comes up a lot during immigration debates. Thats why I tried to use "national" but that probably wasnt smart either.
Anyway, I replaced a Pinay at my school and she was an awesome teacher. We worked together for about 3 weeks before she took her leave and it was sad to think that she wasnt eligible for the EPIK program because she wasnt from one of the required countries.
She got her bachelors degree in education (in the Philippines) and knew what she was doing. The school hired her out of their own pocket and paid her about 2.0M KRW to teach 30 lessons a week and she got only 10 days vacation! I cringed thinking about the people that I met at training who had 1/10th of her talent and twice the benefits. Oh well...thats life.
Her English was also perfect.
As for students not wanting to sound like Indians....I have yet to hear any Korean students develop British or North American accents because of their teachers (unless of course they lived abroad for years). |
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