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Money 'can' buy happiness
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrugstoreCowgirl wrote:
People who say money doesn't buy happiness have obviously never had money Very Happy


Or they've always had money and don't realize how much it has contributed to their happiness.
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tiger fancini



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrugstoreCowgirl wrote:
People who say money doesn't buy happiness


are a bunch of tree-hugging hippies, who are probably still sponging off their ridiculously wealthy (and stupidly tolerant) parents.
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Dev



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read an interesting study on this topic. It said that people making up to $75,000 a year were happy and that making more than this amount did not make people happier.

I can kinda see that. With 75K a year, you can do most things the millionaires can do like travel the world and own a good car. Maybe you're not in the 5 star hotels, but you're still alright.
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Skipperoo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If money isn't buying you happiness then you either don't have enough of it, are spending it in the wrong places or you simply lack imagination.

I think a lot of the naysayers are confusing 'buys happiness' with 'is necessary for happiness'. The first is true, the latter is not.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Happiness' can be found for 6,000 won at the Local Family Mart.
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laguna



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who grew up extremely poor, I can tell you that it does indeed buy you happiness.

When you don't have to worry about medical bills, eating, living in a neighborhood with gang wars, etc. life is pretty dandy.

Of course the returns are diminishing after $60k USD as studies have indicated.

I had the pleasure of living in a car my first year of college, a warm shower and a bed to sleep in would have made me plenty happy.
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Mariella713



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've visited rich countries like Japan and America and poor countries like Mexico and Thailand and have seen a lot more stress and less smiles in richer locales.

Exactly, you have VISITED. You do not know the reality. My parents saved up years just so they could ship me out of the country and move to a better one, to get an education, to earn money and make a better life for myself...all so I wouldn't end up like them. Poor and and unable to afford medical bills when they're sick, school books, food, electricity, etc....money is a god-send.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't need money, but it sure is nice to have.

Spoken by a former self-made millionaire employer of mine who retired at 35. Couldn't agree more. I consider myself to be intrinsically happy regardless of my financial condition, but having enough money to NEVER worry about whether I can pay for something or not would sure be nice. Hats off to the poster who said "money is freedom" earlier. So true.
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Rae



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Sweden. I've been here for a little over a year now (I moved here immediately after finishing my contract in Korea) and I have to say that this place is filled with seemingly happy people because they're not purely motivated by money.

There's a word called "lagom" that people seem to be instilled with. The meaning isn't exactly conveyed by Wiki - because to them, the perfect amount is just enough, not too much, not too little. So their "lagom" is like our "ample".

Why am I going on about this? It's because people don't expect to live like moviestars here. People live within their means and are happy with it. They like simple things and enjoy a quiet existence. Now some might say that life here is a little boring (understatement), but being overly concerned with money isn't at all part of the equation (unless you're a teenage club-goer, but they're like that everywhere).
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Globutron



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why am I going on about this? It's because people don't expect to live like moviestars here. People live within their means and are happy with it. They like simple things and enjoy a quiet existence.


Ireland.

I'll never leave this place where I was born, because beyond these town limits, even though I've never seen 'em, there's really nothing else to explore. why would I leave this place when I'm comfortable right here?
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Louis VI



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mariella713 wrote:
VI wrote:
I've visited rich countries like Japan and America and poor countries like Mexico and Thailand and have seen a lot more stress and less smiles in richer locales.
Exactly, you have VISITED. You do not know the reality.
The University of Michigan's World Values Surveys (WVS) has compiled data on the happiest countries in the world for over twenty years:

1. Nigeria
2. Mexico
3. Venezuela
4. El Salvador
5. Puerto Rico
http://www.thehappinessshow.com/HappiestCountries.htm

Mariella713 wrote:
My parents saved up years just so they could ship me out of the country and move to a better one, to get an education, to earn money and make a better life for myself...all so I wouldn't end up like them. Poor and and unable to afford medical bills when they're sick, school books, food, electricity, etc....money is a god-send.

You say you're happier than your parents and grandparents were! Very Happy That is wonderful for you! A bit sad for your parents and grandparents if true.

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I think a lot of the naysayers are confusing 'buys happiness' with 'is necessary for happiness'. The first is true, the latter is not.

Does anyone deny that there are contexts in which money buys things needed (e.g., medicine), the end result being a happier person? No, so to that degree 'money buys happiness' is trivally true. But then it isn't claiming much. The stronger contention is that money is SUFFICIENT for happiness, not that it is necessary. Both of these simply aren't true for most people it sure seems.

What the hell do you need money for once you have food in the belly and a roof over the head? Meaningful activity and purpose to action, family and community and friends, enjoyable things to do and a sense of accomplishment, whatever these may be, are all more important than the value of the currency in one's pocket.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis VI wrote:
Mariella713 wrote:
VI wrote:
I've visited rich countries like Japan and America and poor countries like Mexico and Thailand and have seen a lot more stress and less smiles in richer locales.
Exactly, you have VISITED. You do not know the reality.
The University of Michigan's World Values Surveys (WVS) has compiled data on the happiest countries in the world for over twenty years:

1. Nigeria
2. Mexico
3. Venezuela
4. El Salvador
5. Puerto Rico
http://www.thehappinessshow.com/HappiestCountries.htm


This HAS to be a farce.

1. Nigerians are so happy that a group of them have been fighting the government for a couple decades now. Then again maybe those ubiquitous e-mail scams have really paid off.
2. Mexico. Life is so grand there that millions have come to the US to work illegally. It is one of the top 3 countries in kidnappings. The murder rate has shot through the rough.
3. Venezuela. I suggest you visit Miami, which has recently gotten an influx of Venezuelans. A friend of mine loved her home country so much that she was just granted political assylum here in the USA.
4. El Salvador. One of the biggest gaps between rich and poor in the world. It also was in civil war back in the 80s. Also a huge diaspora in North America.
5. Puerto Rico is a part of the USA. Regardless, if it is shangri-la, why is the NE USA filled with people from PR?
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I googled it myself and yes, I don't know where that website got Nigeria #1 because a variety of sites didn't mention it whatsoever. I guess you're right about the Latin countries though.

From the horse's mouth

Denmark is #1.
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Globutron



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.amazon.com/Happiness-Jane-Adams-II/dp/B00000IC7G/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1279727978&sr=1-1
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hagwonnewbie



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Location: Asia

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything's relative. If you are getting wealthier, you're probably feeling happier than you were before. If you're rich and your wealth is declining, you may feel less affluent or less happy.

Of course the income divide is growing, so some wealthy people are getting richer and some people are getting poorer.

I also suspect that countries outside of South America for example tie the notion of happiness to wealth, where South Americans are more likely to tie it to health and family.

Does having a lot of money make some people happy? Sure it makes people who want to buy stuff and spend money happy. For people who don't need all that crap, happiness is defined differently.
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