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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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Another shocking report by SeeThroughNY reveals that 8,074 MTA employees earned $100,000 last year. Fifty MTA employees earned more than $200,000 last year. And salaries are rising.
This is at a time when the New York City and State are struggling with a gaping budget deficit and billions in debt. Meanwhile, the MTA is cutting costs by reducing service and may remove cars to save electricity. |
http://www.businessinsider.com/mta-salaries-2010-6#ixzz0puSB7jc5
I agree with BB. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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San F. is one of the best cities in America, but too expensive for me.
The liberals are doing something right there.
It's funny in America to compare cities in liberal states compared to state run by Conservatives.
Liberal states cities; Boston, Seattle, Chicago, San F.
Conservative states cities; Birmingham, Memphis, Houston, Atlanta
The Conservative states almost always have more crime, more poverty less educated populations, and more divorce. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
San F. is one of the best cities in America, but too expensive for me.
The liberals are doing something right there.
It's funny in America to compare cities in liberal states compared to state run by Conservatives.
Liberal states cities; Boston, Seattle, Chicago, San F.
Conservative states cities; Birmingham, Memphis, Houston, Atlanta
The Conservative states almost always have more crime, more poverty less educated populations, and more divorce. |
This is not a useful contribution. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-20/california-official-s-800-000-salary-in-city-of-38-000-triggers-protests.html
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California Official's $800,000 Salary in City of 38,000 Triggers Protests
Hundreds of residents of one of the poorest municipalities in Los Angeles County shouted in protest last night as tensions rose over a report that the city�s manager earns an annual salary of almost $800,000.
An overflow crowd packed a City Council meeting in Bell, a mostly Hispanic city of 38,000 about 10 miles (16 kilometers) southeast of Los Angeles, to call for the resignation of Mayor Oscar Hernandez and other city officials. Residents left standing outside the chamber banged on the doors and shouted �fuera,� or �get out� in Spanish.
It was the first council meeting since the Los Angeles Times reported July 15 that Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo earns $787,637 -- with annual 12 percent raises -- and that Bell pays its police chief $457,000, more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck makes in a city of 3.8 million people. Bell council members earn almost $100,000 for part-time work.
City Attorney Edward Lee said the council members couldn�t discuss salaries in public without advance notice. The council then adjourned for a private session. About an hour later, the council members returned, and Hernandez read a statement saying the city would prepare a report on the salaries and seek public comment at the next council meeting, scheduled for Aug. 16.
Residents shouted in protest. Lee said he would have the room cleared if people continued to speak out of line. Police Chief Randy Adams said the fire department wanted to end the meeting because the crowd outside was blocking the door.
Easing Tensions
Then, in what appeared to be an effort to ease tensions, Hernandez announced that the meeting to discuss salaries would be held instead on July 26.
After the meeting, Bell resident Ali Saleh read a statement from a newly formed group called the Bell Association to Stop the Abuse. He called for an independent audit of city salaries and contracts.
On July 1 Bell took control of many of the city functions of neighboring Maywood, a city whose council members voted to contract out almost all services. Saleh also asked that Bell stop that process until the city�s salary investigations were resolved.
Bell has sold two general obligation bond issues totaling $50 million in the past six years, according to prospectuses for the bonds and information in the city�s annual financial statement for 2009. In that time, its debt has risen to $1,972 per capita in 2009 from $599 in 2004, according to its annual financial statement.
Inquiry Under Way
The city�s personal income was $24,800 per capita in 2008, according to its financial statement. That compares with an average of $32,819 nationwide, according to 2010 figures from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.
Bell�s general fund revenue declined 4.6 percent to $14.1 million for the fiscal year that ended June 30, 2009, according to the city�s financial statement. The city�s expenses rose 2.3 percent to $15.9 million in same period.
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How's that for the worst run small city? |
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hagwonnewbie
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia
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Comparing idaho to San Fran is like comparing New York to Wyoming or Seafood to pop candy.
San Fran and California are unique culturally. With the flood of desperate illegals and a history of drug/outlaw culture, cities in California face entirely unique socio cultural issues. California is where homeless people go because it's warm and accomodating. It's also where bad people unload their dope and teens go to sell their bodies on the big screens. And that's just a mere glance.
Does San Fran have more problems? Yes
Can we really assess how well the city is managed by throwing out some number? Probably not.
The problems facing CA and increasingly more of the US may not be solved no matter how much you spend. At least they're trying there. Also, in San Fran you can see the problems. They are very visible to people who visit.
If you go to another city like St. Louis, you might never realize that it's the murder capital of America because it's so segregated. Out of sight, out of mind. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| hagwonnewbie wrote: |
| San Fran and California are unique culturally. With the flood of desperate illegals and a history of drug/outlaw culture, cities in California face entirely unique socio cultural issues. California is where homeless people go because it's warm and accomodating. It's also where bad people unload their dope and teens go to sell their bodies on the big screens. And that's just a mere glance. |
No, homeless don't go to California because it is warm and accomodating. They go to San Francisco because it is accomodating (and it isn't very warm). Its homeless policy was just asking for people to flock there to abuse the system. Attempts have been made to reform it. While the # of homeless haven't dropped, I am not sure if people still flock there like they did before. And while LA has plenty of homeless, I don't believe it has the "migrant" homeless population that SF has. If warmth had anything to do with it, I think San Diego would have a big homeless issue (which it doesn't).
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| Can we really assess how well the city is managed by throwing out some number? Probably not. |
When the numbers are an indicator of how much money is wasted, YES, we can. Did you read the original article? If not, I strongly encourage you to do so.
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| The problems facing CA and increasingly more of the US may not be solved no matter how much you spend. At least they're trying there. Also, in San Fran you can see the problems. They are very visible to people who visit. |
Trying what? And what problems are you referring to? Obscene public pensions? Yes, that is a problem a lot of local governments are having. And while there are a couple courageous souls trying to reform the pension system, they're not making much progress. The gap between rich and poor? Eh, well, they don't seem to be doing anything about that in SF. What exactly are they trying to fix?
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| If you go to another city like St. Louis, you might never realize that it's the murder capital of America because it's so segregated. Out of sight, out of mind. |
STL is segregated but a lot of it- including white areas- is a dump. I don't think many would be shocked to find it is the murder capital of the USA. Now if you are referring to the whole metro area, or the entire County, then yes, that is true. Then again, that can be said about any metro area (including SF). Hanging out in Pacific Heights and the Marina, you might not realize that SF has some crappy areas or a massive homeless problem. It is all relative. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
San F. is one of the best cities in America, but too expensive for me.
The liberals are doing something right there.
It's funny in America to compare cities in liberal states compared to state run by Conservatives.
Liberal states cities; Boston, Seattle, Chicago, San F.
Conservative states cities; Birmingham, Memphis, Houston, Atlanta
The Conservative states almost always have more crime, more poverty less educated populations, and more divorce. |
Social and economic differences between cities and states indeed have a profound connection with conservative vs liberal politics. These differences, however, are a reflection of the failures of well-intentioned government programs that aimed to solve social problems. Education, crime, the family. . .the more the government spends, the worse things seem to get.
What ever the government welfare program, it is likely to have either no net benefits or negative results, because there will always be some people who engage in the unwanted behavior in order to become eligible for the rewards. The harm thus brought about offsets the good that is done.
From the 1960s onwards, the government tried to spend the crap out of social problems. The results range from nothing to write home about to wretched. For example, you're more likely to be killed in Baltimore today (where 80% of all births are to single women) than you are in India and China combined. And you're almost twice as likely to be killed in Louisiana than you are in Pakistan.
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Why is it that some of the states with the biggest fiscal problems have the highest individual state income tax rates, such as New York and California, while some of the states with the least fiscal problems have no state income tax at all? High-tax advocates will argue that the high-tax states provide much more and better state services, but the empirical evidence does not support the assertion. On average, schools, health and safety, roads, etc. are no better in states with income taxes than those without income taxes. More importantly, the evidence is very strong that people are moving from high-tax states to lower-tax-rate states � the migration from California to Texas and from New York to Florida being prime examples. It is interesting that the high-tax-rate states also, on average, have much higher per capita debt levels than states without income taxes.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/19/abolish-state-income-taxes/ |
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