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East Sea? East of What?
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google East Sea and see what the top result is. One can guess...
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

East of what? East of the Asian mainland. It's a body of water directly east of the Asian continent.

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Simplest solution seems to be to put both names on maps.

The East Sea of Japan. Laughing
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mc_jc



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what gets me- most map makers, even from those countries that hate the Japanese for one reason or another, name the body of water "The Sea of Japan".
Korea even used the name on its maps for a long time. The controversy surrounding this is only about 10 or so years old.
I mean, many American school children who could identify this body of water will identify it as The Sea of Japan.
I just love how Koreans attempt to change world history and geography to suit their ideas.

I think part of it has to do with their education. Korean students are always taught that it is named The East Sea. But when they go abroad to study, they are surprised to realize that the rest of the world calls it The Sea of Japan. The concept goes against the entire Korean educational indoctrination.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: East Sea? East of What? Reply with quote

mc_jc wrote:

Then he told me how much political pressure was put on them to use "The East Sea" instead of "Sea of Japan".


Like what? By whom?
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nukeday



Joined: 13 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The name in English is the Sea of Japan. It doesn't matter if it once had several names. It carries as little importance as calling a certain body of water "The Gulf of Mexico." Koreans can call it anything they want in their own language.

And, btw, "east sea" is not a neutral name. Koreans call it east sea because they also call the yellow sea "west sea." It's Korea-centric. It has nothing to do with it being east of the Asian mainland, it has everything to do with them trying to reduce Japan's clout.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mc_jc wrote:

I mean, many American school children who could identify this body of water will identify it as The Sea of Japan.


Hey if American school children can identify it by either name I'm all for that considering the woeful geographical knowledge of America's youth these days.
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nukeday



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Templars - Land of the Morning Calm

On a world flight late one night
He left his friends, he left his wife
Far to the east, destination unknown
Doesn't even know where to call his home
Thought he had it bad back on the block
Knocking down pints with no afterthought
Now he's far away in some foreign land
He took for granted all he had
CHORUS
2x Over the Sea of Japan
He left his freedom, he left his land
Over the Sea of Japan

12 beers later and the sun in his face
It's not a bad dream, he's really into this place
365 days to some, but they're not in the land of the morning calm.
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Patrick Bateman



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems both sides of the argument have an equal, yet arbitrary claim to name the body of water.

I propose scrapping both "The East Sea" and "Sea of Japan." In its place, I suggest some alternatives:

1. "The 'Patrick Bateman' Sea" since I was the first to offer this compromise in this thread.
2. Change the name to something not dealing with history or geography.
3. Result to numbers, "Sea Two."

I wonder if a compromise could be reached dealing with The Sea of Japan and Dokdo. What if Korea gets to claim Dokdo, and the body of water is called "The Sea of Japan"?
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oskinny1



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrick Bateman wrote:
It seems both sides of the argument have an equal, yet arbitrary claim to name the body of water.

I propose scrapping both "The East Sea" and "Sea of Japan." In its place, I suggest some alternatives:

1. "The 'Patrick Bateman' Sea" since I was the first to offer this compromise in this thread.

Louis already did this above, and it is the same alternative I give my students.

2. Change the name to something not dealing with history or geography.

3. Result to numbers, "Sea Two."

I wonder if a compromise could be reached dealing with The Sea of Japan and Dokdo. What if Korea gets to claim Dokdo, and the body of water is called "The Sea of Japan"?

Considering it is already called the Sea of Japan, and there is no rightful owner of Dokdo, I think that Japan would be losing out. Now if you want to give Japan all territorial rights to the Sea of Japan minus an island here and there, I am sure they'd go for it.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little tip for foreigners in Korea: Don't bring this up with Koreans. They don't like it very much and you won't ever get them to change their minds.
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creeper1



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Compromise Reply with quote

How about a compromise? The Koreans get Dokdo and the name "sea of Japan" stands.

OR

The Japanese get Dokdo (and rename it Takeshima or whatever) and the name of the sea is changed to "the East Sea"
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Junior



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Germany have any say in the fact Korea calls them "Dog-ill"?

I wonder how south africa feels about being called "Nama-gong".
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mc_jc



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I wonder if a compromise could be reached dealing with The Sea of Japan and Dokdo. What if Korea gets to claim Dokdo, and the body of water is called "The Sea of Japan"?


That's pretty much the status quo right now.

Quote:
Hey if American school children can identify it by either name I'm all for that considering the woeful geographical knowledge of America's youth these days.

I'm talking about the smart ones Wink
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

독일 is the Korean pronunciation of 2 chinese characters. 독 means independence. 일, I am not sure.

남아공 is also from Chinese characters. It is an abbreviation.

남 means south, 아 means Africa, and 공 means republic.

Junior wrote:
Does Germany have any say in the fact Korea calls them "Dog-ill"?

I wonder how south africa feels about being called "Nama-gong".
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Patrick Bateman



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oskinny1 wrote:

Louis already did this above, and it is the same alternative I give my students.


I'm alright keeping my name out of the annals of history for awhile longer, so we can name it the "'Oskinny' Sea." I'm sorry but I cannot accept the "1" part because that's implying you get to name a second sea.

oskinny1 wrote:

Considering it is already called the Sea of Japan, and there is no rightful owner of Dokdo, I think that Japan would be losing out. Now if you want to give Japan all territorial rights to the Sea of Japan minus an island here and there, I am sure they'd go for it.


See, compromise. We can do it this way too.
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