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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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 Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| jmuns wrote: |
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Not as high as you think it is. I have american cousins who pay ridiculous amounts for health insurance - as high as 500 dollars a month! I would rather pay the slightly higher tax than cough up 500 dollars a month from my pay packet! |
your cousins are idiots to pay that much. no one i know pays 500 a month for health insurance. are they expecting to have a major surgery every year? do they have a terminal illness? are they planning on getting one? that would be the only reason to pay so much.
now, in regards to the other posts. so because america has a different approach to health care their they are losing ground on being #1? i mean the health care issue is quite a debacle, and being american i know this, but its just what we deal with. there is always going to be something wrong with every country. every empire falls and america will someday, but going from number 1 to number 2 isnt a bad thing. people love to hate america. but guess what, we dont care. when you are the best people are gonna hate. |
Yes, people PLAN to break limbs and get terminal illnesses.  |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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At least Americans tip 20% 
You must be hanging out with the wrong Americans, honeycakes. |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| jmuns wrote: |
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ouch. you got me there. you are right. i would rather be sitting in america telling people about how i 'could' travel the world as opposed to doing it. also you have me all wrong. i teach high school not kindy. and why would i pay 500 a month? for a fifth of that i could get more coverage than i need. you dont know anything about the american system. like i said some people just love to hate.
let me say something by the way - i like how you try and downgrade me and compare me to your cousin. i bet you couldnt afford 500 a month either. and on that note, i know a guy, who knows a girl, who has a cousin, who has an uncle, who has a step-dad, who has a brother, who has a son that would leave your cousin in the starting blocks. |
No, he is actually travelling around Europe - its part of his job - he can afford the expensive health insurance but he doesn't like paying it - who does. So - you teach high school - do they pay you more then? 
No, I couldn't afford 500 a month but then I don't have to because I live in a country where medical health care is FREE!!! (Or it is took out of our NI contributons) Unlike you suckers over there who have to pay for every single thing because you are too tight fisted as a whole to see the bigger picture and pay the appropiate taxes! |
see thats just the thing. it is how we are as a people. we dont expect anything for free, nor do we want it. we have no problem working for what we want or need. maybe thats how we became number one? working for things as opposed to waiting for someone else to supply it.
oh and your cousin is so awesome. tell me more about him and how you wish you were living his life....as an american |
No, I quite like being British - I quite like the fact that if I ever need a life saving surgery that I won't be in lifetime debt, I like the fact that I am an EU citizen and can live and work anywhere in Europe which I know most of your countrymen would give their left ball for. (if you don't believe me - go and read the Europe forums on this very site) I quite like the fact that we have top class theatre, museums and sporting events right on our doorstep and that on the whole - it is a safe, decent place to live. Thanks for playing! 
About Americans not expecting stuff for free - this is except for nights out when you all start trying to get out of paying your share of the bill - never known such a bunch of tight-fisted gets in all my life - I would never go out for a meal with a bunch of Americans ever again. Tighter than a gnats arse. |
so you assume that all of us are like that one group you went to dinner with? then let me make a sweeping generalization(this is daves isnt it?)
one night i went out to drinks with a brit. he sucked. therefore, all brits suck and i want nothing to do with them. except if it is to remind them that they aren't better at football(soccer) than us. |
I have been out with more than one group unfortuneatly. There is even a huge thread on here about tips on how to be a cheap arse - most contributions came from guess who? Thats right - the Americans! |
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jmuns
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| who else would the posts about tipping be from? if there was a thread on the best place to get fish and chips i bet most posters would be english. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose it depends where they're from. America's pretty diverse.
It's standard to tip 20%. 10-15% if a taxi. You pay it or you don't go out. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen Americans, NZs, and SAs be equally stingy when it comes to food here. At any big dinner not matter what we're always 10-20% short.
One thing I like about eating with Koreans is this sort of thing is never a problem. It seems that each person goes there expecting to pay for the entire night for everyone.
I have to agree, if you can't afford to say, take an emergency hit and have to pay for everyone, then you can't afford to dine out. This could apply to anything from a McD's run to dinner at a nice restaurant.
Sadly this kind of mentality is found amongst few NETs here.
As for health care, we should remember that the reason all these other countries have subsidized health care is that the U.S. subsidizes their national defense. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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I think that the majority of the "unable to pay" teachers are fresh out of uni, though, so it's understandable. Just don't go out with them!
I love the defense post, btw. |
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laguna
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
I suppose it depends where they're from. America's pretty diverse.
It's standard to tip 20%. 10-15% if a taxi. You pay it or you don't go out. |
Uh, no.
The 20% myth has been made up in recent years by the service industry workers. It was typically 10-20% depending on quality of service.
I'll tip nothing if service is shit, but I'm also known to tip 100% or more if the service is excellent.
I don't tip for some hipster to be a warm body that takes my order and then flirts with the waitresses when I'm waiting to eat.
Also, apparently no one here can read.
AMERICANS HAVE THE FMLA, SO STFU AND STOP SPREADING LIES! |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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It's usually 20% in NY. If you're feeling stingy, you just double the tax (about 16%).
Of course, if service is crap and you don't plan on returning, it's fine not to tip. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
As for health care, we should remember that the reason all these other countries have subsidized health care is that the U.S. subsidizes their national defense. |
RELAX! no one asks the Americans to play world police! they do that all on their own! and the military and sub contractors make BILLIONS from the local economies! unfortunately it's all private businesses which profit from it.. not the American people!
American military are bullies! all the money is spent to feed the bullies and their toys! and nothing is left for the average Americans and the sick and needy!
if you are sick in America! god help you! you had better mortgage your house! unless you are in jail then its free! hahahahaah
most Americans hate the current healthcare system! most Americans want the military to leave the countries they are in and return to the States! and stop spending BILLIONS a day on supporting them overseas! |
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jmuns
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| i'll take my military over 'free' health care 10 out of 10 times |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I refuse to tip on a percentage basis. Tipping in general is an incredibly stupid custom. Tipping on a percentage basis just takes the custom and makes it worse. Korea is dining as it should be: decent service, minimal waiter interaction, all costs included in the price of the meal, just like nearly every other business interaction the average person engages in.
I leave flat tips in America because I take pity on waiters, who are essentially socially equivalent to the beggars who run up and wash your windshield in hopes of some money you aren't obliged to give them, but I don't like it and I'd rather the industry was reformed. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| i'll take my military over 'free' health care 10 out of 10 times |
Indeed. Why invest in projects which make the average citizens life better in some tangible way when you can use it building high-tech killing machines and go around the world destabilizing nations and killing civilians? Hundreds of billions of dollars well spent! |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Customer service here is often a joke. There are plenty of times when I wish I could leave a tip without insulting the workers here, though. They earn it. Most of the time, however, the service is crap.
Back home, servers KNOW that they're working for a tip, and work hard for it. If not, they get less than average or none at all, but, for the most part, the customer service is great.
Here, if I ask for a chamchi kimchi kimbap, and it's not on the menu (but chamchi kimbap and kimchi kimbap are) I have to explain that YES I will pay more and YES it's possible. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Customer service here is often a joke. There are plenty of times when I wish I could leave a tip without insulting the workers here, though. They earn it. Most of the time, however, the service is crap. |
That's not my experience. Overall, I've been happier with customer service here than I have been in America.
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| Back home, servers KNOW that they're working for a tip, and work hard for it. If not, they get less than average or none at all, but, for the most part, the customer service is great. |
In my experience the average waiter takes their tip for granted and is extremely unpleasant if they don't receive it. I'm also regularly revolted when I hear about people talking about their time working in the American food industry. The sense of entitlement, the spite, the violations of food codes in pursuit of revenge on a disliked customer, and so forth all leave me with very little respect for these people.
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| Here, if I ask for a chamchi kimchi kimbap, and it's not on the menu (but chamchi kimbap and kimchi kimbap are) I have to explain that YES I will pay more and YES it's possible. |
I admit there's often a little confusion when ordering things not on the menu, but I don't think that's because of bad service, but rather out of shock. Koreans simply don't do it. None the less, when I've made special requests, I've invariably been given what I wanted. I also don't like many Korean side-dishes, and am occasionally surprised at the lengths restaurants I frequent will go to to try to provide me with a combination of side dishes I might enjoy, even if they aren't regularly given out. A long-term customer is very desirable to these people, and they are willing to do what it takes to win you over in my experience, with no need of a tip. It's hard to tolerate the spoiled brat social beggars in the American food industry after that.
I understand that, given this is all largely anecdotal it might not have much persuasive force, but it remains the case. My Korean dining experience has been wonderful; if the vast variety of food available in American restaurants could be combined with Korean service, I'd take it happily. |
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