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Your first job. How many offers did you refuse before?

 
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farzfive



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Your first job. How many offers did you refuse before? Reply with quote

So I have been on the hunt for about 2-3 weeks now. I have been offered 2 jobs so far, but both were at schools with negative reviews and sh*t contracts.

I was just wondering how many bad offers everyone here went through before they took their first teaching job in Korea.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Your first job. How many offers did you refuse before? Reply with quote

farzfive wrote:
So I have been on the hunt for about 2-3 weeks now. I have been offered 2 jobs so far, but both were at schools with negative reviews and sh*t contracts.

I was just wondering how many bad offers everyone here went through before they took their first teaching job in Korea.


Off season you will get lots of crap... peak season (just before the school year starts in March) there are more decent offers.

You can rest assured that the vast majority of hagwan offers will be crap offers - especially for newbie/inexperienced teachers.

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farzfive



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well yea, I have zero teaching experience, and come from a media background.

I don't mind working at a hagwon, I just don't want to get screwed by one. The two offers I was given were from schools with horrible track records as far as treatment of employees goes. The teacher at one of the schools even advised me to stay away.

I am debating getting my TEFL certification to maybe give me a little boost when it comes to potential job offers.
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definitely maybe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7, but that was back in 2001!
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seonsengnimble



Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took the first offer after skimming the contract. I jumped in blindly and was very fortunate I wasn't screwed. The contract I signed, however was pretty crappy. It had no specified vacation time (vacation days according to the wonderland calendar), no pension and phone teaching.

The job required a ton of work for relatively little pay, but the boss was honest and very helpful in getting me situated in Korea.
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Reggie



Joined: 21 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before my first job, in 2006, I turned down an offer in Taiwan and accepted a job in Seoul.

Right now, I'm turning down a lot of offers in Seoul while I try to land my dream job in a city just south of the North Korean border. It doesn't look like it's going to pan out, so I'll probably work in Seoul or, more likely, China.
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drama_addict



Joined: 30 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once got five offers. Turned down four of them (two in Korea, one in Japan, and one in China).

This was in 2008 and I ended up accepting an offer from EPIK. Wish I hadn't as the school sucked. EPIK is a crapshoot. You have no way of knowing what type of school you'll end up at.
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gummychoco



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My husband and I have been looking for about a month and have received 4 offers. The first 2 were really cruddy - the contracts were unclear as to what kind of "extra hours" and Saturdays we'd be expected to put in for free, didn't offer what we thought was a standard 10 vacation days, pay wasn't so good, reviews were bad... etc. etc. I was beginning to think that maybe that was the kind of crap I'd have to choose between. This crappy contract or that crappy contract. And we kept being told by those recruiters that we should just sign, even if it blows, because It's so hard to place couples, especially mixed couples, blah blah blah. Then I got 2 good offers, better pay, enough vacation, nice and helpful recruiters & school directors... but these were only offers for myself and did not include my husband, and so he'd have to find a job at a school nearby. But then its not certain when he'd be able to join me in Korea or if he'd even be able to find a job...

But I think we're about to receive a 5th offer though, one for the both of us. Phew.

Don't settle for a cruddy contract! Averaging 1 job offer a week really isn't that bad and it's only a matter of time until something decent turns up. My husband and I also have no experience and no certification. I know that I was able to get more offers than my husband because I am eligible for an F4 and have some volunteer experience working with children. The recruiters that found me those gyopo jobs did recommend that my husband get certified so that he could be placed more quickly nearby.
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farzfive



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gummychoco wrote:
My husband and I have been looking for about a month and have received 4 offers. The first 2 were really cruddy - the contracts were unclear as to what kind of "extra hours" and Saturdays we'd be expected to put in for free, didn't offer what we thought was a standard 10 vacation days, pay wasn't so good, reviews were bad... etc. etc. I was beginning to think that maybe that was the kind of crap I'd have to choose between. This crappy contract or that crappy contract. And we kept being told by those recruiters that we should just sign, even if it blows, because It's so hard to place couples, especially mixed couples, blah blah blah. Then I got 2 good offers, better pay, enough vacation, nice and helpful recruiters & school directors... but these were only offers for myself and did not include my husband, and so he'd have to find a job at a school nearby. But then its not certain when he'd be able to join me in Korea or if he'd even be able to find a job...

But I think we're about to receive a 5th offer though, one for the both of us. Phew.

Don't settle for a cruddy contract! Averaging 1 job offer a week really isn't that bad and it's only a matter of time until something decent turns up. My husband and I also have no experience and no certification. I know that I was able to get more offers than my husband because I am eligible for an F4 and have some volunteer experience working with children. The recruiters that found me those gyopo jobs did recommend that my husband get certified so that he could be placed more quickly nearby.


I am in a simliar situation. I had originally been looking for a job for me and my very close friend. We weren't having much luck, so we decided to apply places separately. She was able to get a position at a private music institute in Dongdaemun, Seoul. Now I'm just trying to find a reliable school to work with in the Seoul area so we can be close to each other.

She leaves in 3 weeks though, and I still have nothing, so I am starting to get nervous Mad.
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

about a dozen. just be patient.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 uni jobs and a handful of hagwon jobs, as well as a PS job. It helps to be open about where you work. If you want to be in Seoul, be prepared for lots of competition.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three.
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Vix



Joined: 18 Jun 2010
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Four, mostly as my recruiter then was offering me jobs in the middle of nowhere when I said I wanted to work in a city!
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really, really, really make sure to contact someone at the school or who has previously worked at the school before. I mean, a "grunt" / teacher.

Beyond that, do your homework, network and contact others about the school and people. It isn't just about the money but about the people you work with. Can't say that loud enough.

Check out http://twitter.com/eltjobs 400 jobs a day from all over the world come in to the feed I set up. Also, search it through twitter search . Just put in your search feed, like "eltjobs+kindergarten" Here's an example.

Good luck,

DD
http://eflclassroom.com
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