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eljuero
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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| JFuller317 wrote: |
Joke character confirmed. 
I guess it's kind of amusing, but it does make you wish this forum had an ignore function. |
Now you're cookin'! It is f'ing hilarious on some level! |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| When he told you that you missed the screaming, he was stating that she screamed. He may have skipped it in the first post, but he clarified. I don't see why you can't understand this simple fact. |
I asked If I had missed it and got the sarcasm in return, His one and only mention to "screaming" came on page 7 after he had used "vitriol" twice, and "ill will" once when spaeking about her conversation.
HIs remark on page 7 on the screaming but was also off hand, and not exactly memorable, espcially when its the first mention of this new fact in an otherwise repetiive rant of his feelings on the "unfair" situation
Regardless her screaming would be a direct result of him ducking her calls Wouldn't it" |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| eljuero wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
| eljuero wrote: |
| Seoulio�s compulsive need to boot lick the employers side of almost every issue I�ve seen him post to is indicative of other �issues�. The compulsive need to nitpick and attack other posters who have problems at work in a repeated manner demonstrates serious self-loathing and anger that in a sense, can�t be dealt with internally or psychologically so �issues� are found in others to criticize and attack. It�s repeated so frequently and predictably here on the board I'm guessing it's difficult or impossible for him to stop. Simple projection from a very unhappy and angry person. |
The funny thing is that there is part truth to some of what you are saying. Let me address them
1) Bootlicking Employers - I have over 800 posts, perhaps you could read them all before making such a false claim. I have disagreed with my employers many times. But I take my job seriously and in the end an employees job is to do as they are told ( I am constantly amazed by the number of people that disagree with this, it speaks volumes) Now of course this has limits, as a teacher, I am not expected to clean toilets for example, but as a teacher I am expected to come in on days that are not vacation days or national holidays
2) Self Loating and Anger - Self loathing, nope. Anger, yes I occasionaly, often have Anger at a number of things, Teachers that give us a bad name is one of them
3) Complsive need to nitpick - Actually i have a constant need to speak out against what i consider unjust or unreasonable positions and actions.
I am not atacking people who have problems at work, if they are actually being treated unjutsly I sympathise, here you have an idiot who created his own situation of bad will, blames his school, and makes us all look bad.
Yeah I am going to speak out against that.
4) It's difficult to stop - I grant you that, It's hard to stop I do enjoy trying to be right, it is a weakness I grant you, but one I am professional enough to not do with my employers.
5) Unhappy or Angry Person - Well you said Angry before, and as for the unhappy part, nope.
I swear to God sometimes I feel like some English teachers are like LIndsay LOhans latest situation. They create the circumstances that get their employers pissed off, parade around their superiority and sense of entitlement and then whine and cry like a spoiled brat when the people in charge actually punish them.
Course I forget, they don't think these people are actualy in charge, and that they can do as they please based on what they think is fair.
Its crap that they would never pull if they were teachers back in thier home country. |
Case confirmed!! Seriously, try getting some help or at least out more. |
okay idiot, I will get right one that one for you |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| That's all I'll say on the matter. You've proved your lunacy beyond any shadow of a doubt, and for all the posters who have taken your position on this, there are more who have agreed with me. |
Wrong Again Buddy, though not that surprising.
Perhaps you could research your facts ( yet again)
Posters that Support your position
1)Summer WIne
2)Air 76
3) Wadrug na'doo
4) NYC Gal ( and even she only half agrees)
5) Oculis Orbis ( and even he doesnt make it explict)
6) Zulethe
7) ElJuero
Eight) Randal20105
9) KOrean Ambition
Posters that Support MY postion
1) EngrishPrease
2) Noky
3) Juregan
4) CuriousaboutKorea
5) Shostahossier
6) MIlwaukie Dave
7) J Valmer
Eight) The Gadfly
9) The Urban Myth
10) CentralCali
11) Thingscomearound
12) DaffyD73
13 Techno The Cat
14) DaveWeai2 ( got that name wrong, can't read my own writing)
15) The Gipkik
16) SpaceGhoster
17)CReeper1
1 Salsichawa
So there you go EXACTLY double have supported my position than have supported yours.
And there were 4 or 5 nuetral posters whose comment gave no real indictaion either way ( just as there are 1 or 2 for each of us whos comments are equally vague as to who they specifically side with in your little tiff, they just defend or suport the deskwarming policy, or the schools right to enforce it.
Is there anything else youd like to correct me on incorrectly again? |
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eljuero
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| eljuero wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
| eljuero wrote: |
| Seoulio�s compulsive need to boot lick the employers side of almost every issue I�ve seen him post to is indicative of other �issues�. The compulsive need to nitpick and attack other posters who have problems at work in a repeated manner demonstrates serious self-loathing and anger that in a sense, can�t be dealt with internally or psychologically so �issues� are found in others to criticize and attack. It�s repeated so frequently and predictably here on the board I'm guessing it's difficult or impossible for him to stop. Simple projection from a very unhappy and angry person. |
The funny thing is that there is part truth to some of what you are saying. Let me address them
1) Bootlicking Employers - I have over 800 posts, perhaps you could read them all before making such a false claim. I have disagreed with my employers many times. But I take my job seriously and in the end an employees job is to do as they are told ( I am constantly amazed by the number of people that disagree with this, it speaks volumes) Now of course this has limits, as a teacher, I am not expected to clean toilets for example, but as a teacher I am expected to come in on days that are not vacation days or national holidays
2) Self Loating and Anger - Self loathing, nope. Anger, yes I occasionaly, often have Anger at a number of things, Teachers that give us a bad name is one of them
3) Complsive need to nitpick - Actually i have a constant need to speak out against what i consider unjust or unreasonable positions and actions.
I am not atacking people who have problems at work, if they are actually being treated unjutsly I sympathise, here you have an idiot who created his own situation of bad will, blames his school, and makes us all look bad.
Yeah I am going to speak out against that.
4) It's difficult to stop - I grant you that, It's hard to stop I do enjoy trying to be right, it is a weakness I grant you, but one I am professional enough to not do with my employers.
5) Unhappy or Angry Person - Well you said Angry before, and as for the unhappy part, nope.
I swear to God sometimes I feel like some English teachers are like LIndsay LOhans latest situation. They create the circumstances that get their employers pissed off, parade around their superiority and sense of entitlement and then whine and cry like a spoiled brat when the people in charge actually punish them.
Course I forget, they don't think these people are actualy in charge, and that they can do as they please based on what they think is fair.
Its crap that they would never pull if they were teachers back in thier home country. |
Case confirmed!! Seriously, try getting some help or at least out more. |
okay idiot, I will get right one that one for you |
When people are confronted with actual issues (not the "issues" they create and project onto others to distract themselves from their internal world) they act out in anger.
I'm not picking on you - but after almost two decades working in mental health it's easy to spot. You should look into some counselors in Seoul to find out what's going on instead of projecting your issues onto other people on the board. |
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JFuller317
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:16 am Post subject: |
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If you don't count joke posters, there are more people supporting my position than supporting yours.
Seoulio annihilated once again.
Forum posting isn't for you, man. Stick to what you're good at. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Oh is that going to be your retort for being wrong?
What a loser
Just go ahead and look over the posts on this thread. Clearly more people are critical of your actions.
Perhaps youd like to list who the joke posters are, I am sure they'd like to know they are "a joke"
Gonna go out on a limb here though and say that you think that the JOKE posters will only be on my side of this equation.
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| eljuero wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
| eljuero wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
| eljuero wrote: |
| Seoulio�s compulsive need to boot lick the employers side of almost every issue I�ve seen him post to is indicative of other �issues�. The compulsive need to nitpick and attack other posters who have problems at work in a repeated manner demonstrates serious self-loathing and anger that in a sense, can�t be dealt with internally or psychologically so �issues� are found in others to criticize and attack. It�s repeated so frequently and predictably here on the board I'm guessing it's difficult or impossible for him to stop. Simple projection from a very unhappy and angry person. |
The funny thing is that there is part truth to some of what you are saying. Let me address them
1) Bootlicking Employers - I have over 800 posts, perhaps you could read them all before making such a false claim. I have disagreed with my employers many times. But I take my job seriously and in the end an employees job is to do as they are told ( I am constantly amazed by the number of people that disagree with this, it speaks volumes) Now of course this has limits, as a teacher, I am not expected to clean toilets for example, but as a teacher I am expected to come in on days that are not vacation days or national holidays
2) Self Loating and Anger - Self loathing, nope. Anger, yes I occasionaly, often have Anger at a number of things, Teachers that give us a bad name is one of them
3) Complsive need to nitpick - Actually i have a constant need to speak out against what i consider unjust or unreasonable positions and actions.
I am not atacking people who have problems at work, if they are actually being treated unjutsly I sympathise, here you have an idiot who created his own situation of bad will, blames his school, and makes us all look bad.
Yeah I am going to speak out against that.
4) It's difficult to stop - I grant you that, It's hard to stop I do enjoy trying to be right, it is a weakness I grant you, but one I am professional enough to not do with my employers.
5) Unhappy or Angry Person - Well you said Angry before, and as for the unhappy part, nope.
I swear to God sometimes I feel like some English teachers are like LIndsay LOhans latest situation. They create the circumstances that get their employers pissed off, parade around their superiority and sense of entitlement and then whine and cry like a spoiled brat when the people in charge actually punish them.
Course I forget, they don't think these people are actualy in charge, and that they can do as they please based on what they think is fair.
Its crap that they would never pull if they were teachers back in thier home country. |
Case confirmed!! Seriously, try getting some help or at least out more. |
okay idiot, I will get right one that one for you |
When people are confronted with actual issues (not the "issues" they create and project onto others to distract themselves from their internal world) they act out in anger.
I'm not picking on you - but after almost two decades working in mental health it's easy to spot. You should look into some counselors in Seoul to find out what's going on instead of projecting your issues onto other people on the board. |
Well then perhaps you should not have been paid much of a Salary. I love you armchair shrinks thinking you have people pegged. It Couldn't be that I am just pissed off at certain human ignorance right?
Projecting my issues? God the ignorant have an exucse for everything. "No No No Seoulio isn't actually mad at us and our actions, he's actually mad at himself. So we are just fine, and HE is the one with the problem"
What a joke |
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DaffyD73
Joined: 28 Nov 2007
Location: Planet Earth on the left
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
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Did he say she called screaming? |
If you seriously made the kind of responses you've made in this thread while overlooking that very important detail, I don't know what to tell you.
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Yes she may have opened the conversation badly if she was screaming, but he was not helping by saying "no I am not coming in" nor did he have the right to say what he said. IF he was mature and profeesional ( her not being so is no excuse for him to not be) he would have said "stop yelling at me AND " i will be there in 30 minutes" as he is required to do.
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By the time we actually had this conversation, I was on a train. You think I was just going to say to everyone in the group: "Sorry guys, turns out my other co-teacher was mistaken about me having these days off, and the school isn't going to honor its mistake. Guess I need to head back over there to sit at my desk for the last few hours" and then get off at some random stop in the middle of nowhere and buy a ticket back to my own city?
I know you're a good little clone who thinks we should all just fall in line at all times, but there was no way I was doing that when the mistake was on their end.
I suppose you also missed the detail that the person who told me that there was no school and who I clarified that with was one of my co-teachers (the one who speaks the best English at that)?
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NOw I am a Canadina, but my wife is KOrean, and when I told her about this thread it absolutely sickened her
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You'd think her immune system would be pretty hearty after being married to you.
Anyway, it's not even deskwarming as a whole that I was complaining about. I have a few deskwarming days just before the next semester begins, and I'm not complaining about those at all. I'll just go in and finalize all my lesson plans and maybe work on some writing for a bit. What struck me about this situation is that the school clearly made a mistake (even if I made one as well), and instead of recognizing that and realizing that this is relatively unimportant in the grand scheme of things, they chose to make it a huge deal, deny that ANY mistake might have been made on their end, and undermine their relationship with an NET who has given them nothing but 100% effort for almost eight months now.
Got the official warning letter yesterday. I told the VP I still didn't agree with it and that I thought it was a poor decision, but I didn't say anything more, and that was that. Presumably, the whole matter has been resolved. |
K, Fuller, if you are going to play this game can you at least get your own facts straight about your own posts
1) I just read your initial post, there is NOT ONE mention of the word screaming, there is "laid into you with vitriol", which can be done in a calm and reasonable voice
Ergo, you're wrong on your facts
2) as established before "NO SCHOOL" does not mean " DON'T SHOW UP" there were no classes, and no students, so there was in fact no school, I have no school for the next 6 weeks, but I have camps and deskwarming days as well as vacation
Ergo you are wrong on your facts
3) she called you BEFORE you were out of your apartment
(" So I was pretty surprised and greatly irritated when I started getting phone calls and texts from a co-teacher late Thursday morning. At this point I was about to head out to take the train to Busan, and I was in no mood or position to deal with her crap.)
YOU ducked her phone calls and YOU want to lie and say "oh by the time she started into you you were on the train to BUsan? Well conveniently you ducked the calls that would have given you the chance to cash in your ticket and head back to your school as ordered
4) YOu told her that you would see her MOnday, yet this was THURSDAY, you could have been back on the train and in your classroom for FRIDAY, but of course that wasn't something you were going to do, no
5) BUsan is like what 45 minutes from Daegu on the KTX? NOt exactly that far, you could have made it back, you chose not to
6) As for saying "sorry guys" and heading back, you school never made the mistake, you ASSUMED that no school ( meaning no students no classes) meant you were out of deskwarming duty, so you planned without checking ( something you aren't supposed to do anyway)
The school can't honor a mistake they didnt make, you just dictated to them what you were going to do whan you made a mistake, despite clear orders to come in.
7) Yes I am good employee, I know when I make mistakes, I clarify things BEFORE plan anything, and I am upfront and honest with my bosses. When I purposely don't say "so I don't have to come in Thursday FRiday?" AND duck my co teachers calls so that I can call her back once I am actually on the train ( cowardly move) I dont play the victim and blame my school as you do.
again, the school made NO Mistake, you did
9) you don't agree with the warning letter
a) you failed to confirm you didnt have to come to school ( absentia without consent and incompetance
b) you refused to answer your schools calls when they first contacted you (insubordination, defiance, disrespect)
c) you refused to follow the order of your co teacher which came from the school ( and your contract) ( insubordiantion, defiance and disrespect)
d) you told your partner teacher to F off ( self explanatory)
e) you refused to come in for the rest of that day or the next day despite orders to the contrary ( insubordination)
f) you argued with your VP about what YOU thought would be fair to do ( complete and total ignorance) so YOU defy your school YOU dictate what you will do to them, and then when they have the nerve to let you off with nothing but a warning letter, you are upset? Man you are a piece of work.
he had IRON CLAD cause to fire you, screw you on a big portion of your money, and you think he should handle that how YOU want to.
10) torpedoed andy good will - YOu were leaving after this year anyway, you said that when you wrote your last post on Deskwarming when you called your POE fascists
11) "December cant come fast enough" they feel the same way buddy. |
Beautiful explanation as to how I felt when reading his Post - you took the time to actually point out all of this whereas i just put it as simply and as clearly in the hope the OP would understand - I stand by my first response "Please please please Pleaseeeee fire the OP!"
You may think your a great teacher - and hey that may be true IN THE CLASSROOM - but the disrespect you're shown does not warrant you to be an ambassador for your country/NSET's and that is what makes me sick. |
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JFuller317
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
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| That's all I'll say on the matter. You've proved your lunacy beyond any shadow of a doubt, and for all the posters who have taken your position on this, there are more who have agreed with me. |
Wrong Again Buddy, though not that surprising.
Perhaps you could research your facts ( yet again)
<List of posters that supposedly support each position>
So there you go EXACTLY double have supported my position than have supported yours.
And there were 4 or 5 nuetral posters whose comment gave no real indictaion either way ( just as there are 1 or 2 for each of us whos comments are equally vague as to who they specifically side with in your little tiff, they just defend or suport the deskwarming policy, or the schools right to enforce it.
Is there anything else youd like to correct me on incorrectly again? |
God, you're pathetic. You list a bunch of posters who were clearly neutral about the matter as your supporters. Remove them and you're basically left with thegadfly (biggest troll on the board), Juregen, who no one likes, DaffyD73, who is as certifiably insane as his namesake, and CentralCali, who no one likes. You use this made-up list to try to claim that twice as many people agree with you as with me. But since you're either a joke poster or a genuine nutjob, I certainly wouldn't expect you to use intellectual honesty, and certainly not to be able to recognize facts.
Meanwhile, the intelligent posters who have commented in this thread have, without exception, either supported me or refused to take a position on the matter.
But hey, have fun laughing it up with your "supporters". Maybe you guys can throw a party or something.
How on earth have you managed to get away with constantly trolling this forum for over 800 posts anyway? The mods must be lenient here. Your kind of trolling flat-out wouldn't fly on most forums I've visited. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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the fact that you think I am trolling just shows your inability to recognise certain realities.
The mods delete some of my comments sure, occasionally I do go overboard, yet they do nothing on threads like this isnce I am saying NOTHING that is out of line given the facts that you have presented.
I don't troll, however I dont post on like 100 different threads at the same time either. I also enjoy being the voice of dissent.
Also one of the maint things I like to comment on is unprofessional teachers, or people who complain unjustly.
YOu never leave me short of material there buddy.
As for your list, whatever dude, I could tell you the sky is bule and youd be like"well no, actually its kind of like an off whiteish color of weak aquamarine"
I am done with you.
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JFuller317
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Finally got tired of the constant annihilation? Good to see that even you have a pain/humiliation threshold.
I should post the PMs I received about you for good measure, but I'll save you that indignity. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Finally got tired of the constant annihilation? Good to see that even you have a pain/humiliation threshold.
I should post the PMs I received about you for good measure, but I'll save you that indignity. |
Then you likely don't have them.
Go Ahead, post them, I couldn't care less if people support you in your idiocy. |
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OculisOrbis
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Sweet, you now have permission to post the pm's, JFuller. Please do so. I would love to read them. Just delete the pm sender's name so their anonymity remains intact, but everything else is fair game.
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JFuller317
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Seoulio, a little thought experiment for you. I know it's not your forte, but this one isn't too difficult, so I think you can handle it.
Suppose I had done what you say I should have done and had specifically asked "So I don't have to come in?" and had been told that I could stay home. Suppose I then planned a four-day weekend out of town, made traveling arrangements, paid money for various travel-expenses, etc.
Suppose in this scenario, I got a call on Thursday saying that the school had made a mistake and that they should have told me I had to come in to deskwarm on those days.
In your opinion:
1) If I got the call before I got to the train station, would I be obligated to cancel all my plans and head back?
2) If I got the call while I was already on the train, would I be obligated to get off, turn around and head back to deskwarm?
3) If I got the call when I was already in another city, would I be obligated to take the first train back and cancel the rest of my weekend plans in order to go deskwarm? |
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