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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
I have no idea about this case. I don't know if he did indeed continue for 30 seconds as alleged. I have not read about it except as far as to read bcaspers complaints about it. I'm not interested in the specifics of any one case.

No, none of us was in the bed with them and a stopwatch. But this was THE JUDGE'S FINDING.

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I'm only interested in the principle that continuing to f*** someone after they have made it clear they need you to stop should be unlawful.

You might benefit from studying a little physiology. It is not always so easy to stop nature from taking its course; indeed, it is often foolhardy to try.

I once found my Lab as she was being mounted by a neighbor's dog. The last thing I wanted was for her to get pregnant again. I jumped into action. I tried pulling him off, squirting them with what, taking him off of her. The funniest part was when I had taken him off her and they were facing in opposite directions - still connected!

What that woman did is a perversion of nature.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
What about women who deceive men? Why is the Op so one-sided?


Well, OK then. Have you ever deeply regretted having sex with a woman because she was an Arab or married (and pretended to be single) or whatever. And was it very distressing for you?

The closest I ever came was wanting to throw the woman out of my bed within 30 seconds after finishing. Should I be able to claim she raped me?
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:

You might benefit from studying a little physiology. It is not always so easy to stop nature from taking its course; indeed, it is often foolhardy to try.



You might benefit from studying a little physiology yourself. For example, do you have a bone in your member? Almost certainly not - if you are really human that is. A dog does have bone in its *beep*. This is called the baculum. Also there is tissue at the base of the dog's *beep* that swells and holds the *beep* in place, so that the dog can not be seperated from the bitch. They can only be separated once the dog has fully ejaculated.

Are you a dog? If not, and presuming you are instead a human, possessing the standard physiology of a human, you have the ability to withdraw immediately upon request.
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
What about women who deceive men? Why is the Op so one-sided?


Well, OK then. Have you ever deeply regretted having sex with a woman because she was an Arab or married (and pretended to be single) or whatever. And was it very distressing for you?

The closest I ever came was wanting to throw the woman out of my bed within 30 seconds after finishing. Should I be able to claim she raped me?


Did she get you there on false pretenses, or should you be suing the beer factory?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:

You might benefit from studying a little physiology. It is not always so easy to stop nature from taking its course; indeed, it is often foolhardy to try.



You might benefit from studying a little physiology yourself. For example, do you have a bone in your member? Almost certainly not - if you are really human that is. A dog does have bone in its *beep*. This is called the baculum. Also there is tissue at the base of the dog's *beep* that swells and holds the *beep* in place, so that the dog can not be seperated from the bitch. They can only be separated once the dog has fully ejaculated.

Are you a dog? If not, and presuming you are instead a human, possessing the standard physiology of a human, you have the ability to withdraw immediately upon request.

OK, let's have a poll then: guys, how difficult would it be to pull out when you are just about to climax?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:

You might benefit from studying a little physiology. It is not always so easy to stop nature from taking its course; indeed, it is often foolhardy to try.



You might benefit from studying a little physiology yourself. For example, do you have a bone in your member? Almost certainly not - if you are really human that is. A dog does have bone in its *beep*. This is called the baculum. Also there is tissue at the base of the dog's *beep* that swells and holds the *beep* in place, so that the dog can not be seperated from the bitch. They can only be separated once the dog has fully ejaculated.

Are you a dog? If not, and presuming you are instead a human, possessing the standard physiology of a human, you have the ability to withdraw immediately upon request.

OK, let's have a poll then: guys, how difficult would it be to pull out when you are just about to climax?


Haven't Catholics been doing just that for centuries?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:

You might benefit from studying a little physiology. It is not always so easy to stop nature from taking its course; indeed, it is often foolhardy to try.



You might benefit from studying a little physiology yourself. For example, do you have a bone in your member? Almost certainly not - if you are really human that is. A dog does have bone in its *beep*. This is called the baculum. Also there is tissue at the base of the dog's *beep* that swells and holds the *beep* in place, so that the dog can not be seperated from the bitch. They can only be separated once the dog has fully ejaculated.

Are you a dog? If not, and presuming you are instead a human, possessing the standard physiology of a human, you have the ability to withdraw immediately upon request.

OK, let's have a poll then: guys, how difficult would it be to pull out when you are just about to climax?


Haven't Catholics been doing just that for centuries?

The withdrawal method is unreliable - exactly because it is so hard (pun intended).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:

You might benefit from studying a little physiology. It is not always so easy to stop nature from taking its course; indeed, it is often foolhardy to try.



You might benefit from studying a little physiology yourself. For example, do you have a bone in your member? Almost certainly not - if you are really human that is. A dog does have bone in its *beep*. This is called the baculum. Also there is tissue at the base of the dog's *beep* that swells and holds the *beep* in place, so that the dog can not be seperated from the bitch. They can only be separated once the dog has fully ejaculated.

Are you a dog? If not, and presuming you are instead a human, possessing the standard physiology of a human, you have the ability to withdraw immediately upon request.

OK, let's have a poll then: guys, how difficult would it be to pull out when you are just about to climax?


Haven't Catholics been doing just that for centuries?

The withdrawal method is unreliable - exactly because it is so hard (pun intended).


It might not be easy, but most men can and do rise to the occasion. Pun also intended.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
Are you a dog? If not, and presuming you are instead a human, possessing the standard physiology of a human, you have the ability to withdraw immediately upon request.

OK, let's have a poll then: guys, how difficult would it be to pull out when you are just about to climax?


Haven't Catholics been doing just that for centuries?

The withdrawal method is unreliable - exactly because it is so hard (pun intended).


It might not be easy, but most men can and do rise to the occasion. Pun also intended.

It would be more accurate (and punny) to say he withers to the occasion.

What I really want to know, BB, is how do you know so much about dog's penes? And did you have an ulterior motive in asking if I were a dog? (I make no judgment here about zoophilia.)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:

You might benefit from studying a little physiology. It is not always so easy to stop nature from taking its course; indeed, it is often foolhardy to try.



You might benefit from studying a little physiology yourself. For example, do you have a bone in your member? Almost certainly not - if you are really human that is. A dog does have bone in its *beep*. This is called the baculum. Also there is tissue at the base of the dog's *beep* that swells and holds the *beep* in place, so that the dog can not be seperated from the bitch. They can only be separated once the dog has fully ejaculated.

Are you a dog? If not, and presuming you are instead a human, possessing the standard physiology of a human, you have the ability to withdraw immediately upon request.

OK, let's have a poll then: guys, how difficult would it be to pull out when you are just about to climax?


Not a problem
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:

You might benefit from studying a little physiology. It is not always so easy to stop nature from taking its course; indeed, it is often foolhardy to try.



You might benefit from studying a little physiology yourself. For example, do you have a bone in your member? Almost certainly not - if you are really human that is. A dog does have bone in its *beep*. This is called the baculum. Also there is tissue at the base of the dog's *beep* that swells and holds the *beep* in place, so that the dog can not be seperated from the bitch. They can only be separated once the dog has fully ejaculated.

Are you a dog? If not, and presuming you are instead a human, possessing the standard physiology of a human, you have the ability to withdraw immediately upon request.

OK, let's have a poll then: guys, how difficult would it be to pull out when you are just about to climax?


Not a problem


I would say that it is a mental problem, not a physiological one. If you are getting close to a climax, you are in a different mental state. For that reason, I say having a little bit of leeway time is more realistic instead of expecting an instaneous response on the part of the man.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:

You might benefit from studying a little physiology. It is not always so easy to stop nature from taking its course; indeed, it is often foolhardy to try.



You might benefit from studying a little physiology yourself. For example, do you have a bone in your member? Almost certainly not - if you are really human that is. A dog does have bone in its *beep*. This is called the baculum. Also there is tissue at the base of the dog's *beep* that swells and holds the *beep* in place, so that the dog can not be seperated from the bitch. They can only be separated once the dog has fully ejaculated.

Are you a dog? If not, and presuming you are instead a human, possessing the standard physiology of a human, you have the ability to withdraw immediately upon request.

OK, let's have a poll then: guys, how difficult would it be to pull out when you are just about to climax?


Not a problem


I would say that it is a mental problem, not a physiological one. If you are getting close to a climax, you are in a different mental state. For that reason, I say having a little bit of leeway time is more realistic instead of expecting an instaneous response on the part of the man.


Probably a bit of a problem figuring out what is going on. If everything is going great and at the last second the girl said no it would be confusing, especially if she wasn't adamant. Girls say all sorts of stuff during sex. Also the 30 seconds thing was very possibly rounded up because it's easier to say 30 seconds then 12 or 17.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
A woman should be able to stop at any time if she suddenly finds she doesn't want it. Maybe she started to fear the consequences of him ejaculating. Pregnancy. Disease. Maybe it just felt awful and she couldn't bear it any more. Maybe she was gritting her teeth and starting to cry. She had every right to ask him to stop. Sex is a different experience for a woman. Sometimes it is really wonderful - but only in the right circumstances. In the wrong circumstances it can be truly awful.

I didn't take in the sentence at first. 4 years imprisonment is extremely harsh. I would have sentenced him to some sort of educational program.

Did you also miss the part about it all being a plot by the woman and the guy's wife (just happened to be best friends, btw)?


It doesn't matter. Is it a crime to have sex with your friend's husband? No. It may not be in the best taste, but it doesn't mean that once she commenced that she no longer had autonomy over her own body and had to continue with an activity she could no longer bear.

You still don't get it. The two women plotted for the girlfriend to begin the sex, then in mid-sex say, "Stop," and charge him with rape when he immediately did not. This was premeditated rape entrapment! Exclamation


If it is really true that these women plotted to get him into this situation (and I haven't read about it and can only take your word for it) then they apparantly knew that he would not stop when he was asked to. Therefore, he already had a history of doing such a thing (with his wife presumably). Therefore it's even harder to have sympathy for him.



I have no idea about this case. I don't know if he did indeed continue for 30 seconds as alleged. I have not read about it except as far as to read bcaspers complaints about it. I'm not interested in the specifics of any one case.

I'm only interested in the principle that continuing to f*** someone after they have made it clear they need you to stop should be unlawful.


It's conceivable given the circumstances that for 30 seconds it wasn't clear she needed him to stop i.e. it took him that long to realise because you don't expect people to switch emotional states that quickly that far into sex. It's also conceivable that he brutally ignored her for 30 seconds before coming to his moral senses (or a few seconds of both). Assuming the latter, some punishment was merited - but not 4 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
Are you a dog? If not, and presuming you are instead a human, possessing the standard physiology of a human, you have the ability to withdraw immediately upon request.

OK, let's have a poll then: guys, how difficult would it be to pull out when you are just about to climax?


Haven't Catholics been doing just that for centuries?

The withdrawal method is unreliable - exactly because it is so hard (pun intended).


It might not be easy, but most men can and do rise to the occasion. Pun also intended.

It would be more accurate (and punny) to say he withers to the occasion.

What I really want to know, BB, is how do you know so much about dog's penes? And did you have an ulterior motive in asking if I were a dog? (I make no judgment here about zoophilia.)


Nothing so tillitating, I'm afraid. It's simply common knowledge. All dog owners should know this. Dogs get 'tied' when they have sex. A dog owner should know never to seperate two dogs when they are 'at it.' It can cause injury to both parties, as well as a great deal of distress for the dogs, who are locked together and simply cannot seperate, even if they want to. Ask your vet about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sleazy yes, criminal no!! the government should not have been involved. he deserved a good slap in the face and he should have apoligized for not stopping. But not jail time.
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