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[atomicdeathmonkey]

Oh well let me retort - you watched a movie and read 1 persons opinion on a fuel alternative, the big 5arguements apply equally if not more so to any alternative to petrol.

1. The fcx is being offered on an experimental basis and costs are down to 140k dollars per vehicle - they are leased incidentally at 600 dollars per month all costs in there that's 36 thousand dollars for 5 years motoring - how much is a prius? - economies of scale will lower prices further - what are the repayments on a prius ? with maintenance, tax and insurance? Incidentally the only electric car i'd be seen in costs over 100k new - being the Telsa.

2. Again fcx has "range on a full hydrogen tank (4.1 kg @ 5000psi) is 280 miles" it's more than sufficient for an experimental car in the early stages of development and that is incidentally without being coupled to the electric power of the car. Oh and it takes 5 mins to recharge - similar reasons why htc phones are better than iphones - you can swap out the fuel source quickly - instead of plugging it in after you use it on a constant basis.

3. HYdrogen fuel is 3-4 times more expensive - true in some cases - the price fluctuates due to spikes in demand - given a market , refining it would benefit from economies of scale and it's considered to be at least twice as economic when used as a fuel in a hydrogen electric vs petrol electric car. That's forgetting how electricity is generated - nuclear dumps anyone? and also forgetting the cost of all that nickel processing/replacement.

4. The car is only available in areas of California where the stations are currently built - as more are built more cars will be made available.
Again with electric cars the grid would need upgrading in many parts effectively costing a fortune to make quick charging a viable proposition.

5. Competing technology - that's the case for any alternative to fossil fuels

Your five problems with hydrogen are the same five problems that apply to any alternative to petrol/diesel fueled vehicles.

The big thing is vs electric cars, hydrogen cars will take 5 minutes to fill, won't deconstruct big oil upon which thousands of jobs and whole economies are built - actual people's lives now and in future vs the environment, it utilizes largely existing technology which just needs refinement and doesn't necessitate mining for nickel which is pretty nasty stuff

We don't need to re-invent the wheel here, just refine what we have and build upon the companies and expertise there already.


As for car technology moving forward the petrol engine is about as good as it can be at current rates of technology while maintaining reliability and usability - huge advances have been made in aerodynamics and especially safety which have further complicated basic mpg readings through addition of unstprung weight.

I don't see why it has to be a big conspiracy - it's not - of course the people with oil money are going to plug it into alternative fuels - it's their market.

One more thing - do you know your way around a car at all? as i said in the past post - the only thing that won't require maintenance in an electric car is the motor/ lack of transmission - everything else will be exactly the same or increased wear due to no engine braking/instant torque.

I think a lot of paranoia/ awareness has been borne out of the BP stuff lately which is good - I come from a country where a 2 litre car is considered an extravagance in terms of fuel usage.

[Seoulio]

[atomicdeathmonkey]

haha you studied it by watching a film your not an expert and even your quoted expert oversimplified the argument and made it applicable to any new product - it's truly common drivel!

BSc in Environmental Management, Dublin Institute of Technology , Dublin Ireland - 4 years specializing in spatial planning at the end. I'l send you my transcripts and cert if you feel like it buddy!

Now try arguing on the points instead of getting personal !

You know sweet feck all, you saw a film and ran with it and when someone counters something you know shag all about - incidentally 2 things cars and new energy sources you get pissy.

Yes it's the internet - it doesn't mean you can spout crap and expect the rest of us to sit in awe.

your representative of the populist environmental movement (martin sheen brigade) - i.e. the people the rest of us real qualified people despise because you are full of cheap crap science and flash bang environmental save the world rhetoric tripe.

You guys give people who actually care for and manage the environment a bad name.

[bucheon bum]

Seoulio is cursed with the belief that he is highly educated, well-informed, and more intelligent than he really is. Oh well, he is one of many (including myself no doubt).

Anyway, the electronic car obviously hasn't died. GM will be selling the Volt later this year, and Nissan is launching the Leaf. Tesla has been around for a few years and just went public this summer. It remains to be seen if it will ever become profitable of course.

If there is a market for them, I'm sure the other car companies will follow their footsteps; just like they all did when Toyota had huge success with the Prius.

[Dev]

One question that is rarely brought up is how is each country going to produce enough electricity for all the cars on the road?

As it is, in Toronto, every summer when we get that first hot day, everybody turns on their AC and the power grid overloads and we get a blackout.

A lot of cities around the world are struggling just to meet today's electricity demands.

The car, be it electric or gas along with the plane might become so expensive that only the elite can afford to use them.

Maybe it's unrealistic to believe that every Tom, Dick and Harry can own and operate a car.

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[atomicdeathmonkey]

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